Adeniums forum: My granddaughter said "why are those 2 plants growing green beans"

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Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
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jojoe
Aug 18, 2014 4:49 PM CST
Never have had seed pods on my plants before and need advice on what to do.

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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Aug 18, 2014 5:23 PM CST
You have quite a crop! They will take some time to mature. You could cover them with a mesh bag or pantyhose to avoid the seeds blowing to the four winds when the pod pops, but you can also just keep an eye on them.
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kareoke
Aug 19, 2014 5:35 AM CST
I wrap garden wire very loose around mine, if you do nothing and they split open you will have seeds flying everywhere, as they are very light and have a feathery tail, I learned the hard way.
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 19, 2014 10:01 AM CST
Keep feeding the plant, seeds are hungry, and so is Mamaplant.

Glad your granddaughter didn't taste a "bean"!
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RobertB
Aug 20, 2014 5:03 PM CST
Nice seed pods, very fertile plant!
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 21, 2014 11:24 AM CST
I keep a close eye on seed pods. They change color a wee bit a day before they open. I harvest when the slit has opened, a day before it's seed-fly-away time. How about that! I have a photo----
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Aug 22, 2014 4:44 AM CST
Perfect.
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
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jojoe
Aug 22, 2014 6:10 AM CST
"they change color a wee bit a day before they open"
There's pods on 1 plant that seem to be turning red.I thought it was from the sun.The 2 plants are of a different variety,i wish i could get a ID on them that's more specific than just Adenium obsenium (hope spelling is correct, i always goof it up).One plant has long leaves the other has more of an oval shaped leaves.
What NPK does it need to be fed at this time a higher nitrogen? Which one needs to be higher now.I feed it a 15-30-15 fertilizer the beginning on the summer and it really bloomed great,it was full of blooms.
here's the first pod,if you click the picture to blow it up they're all dated, i try to keep the dates correct.
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You can see the difference in the pods on the 2 plants,the color is different,i have noticed a slight change in the color of the second plant.Do the pods get softer or anything else before they open?

If you look in the back you can see a pod from 1 plant and the rest from the other plant
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Here's the difference in the pods themselves where they started growing from the stem where the flower blooms. Again look at the date stamps on the photo's,How long do they usually stay on the plant? Do i need to hurry and cover the plants so not to loose the seeds?
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Sorry for all the questions especially if i reworded the same questions any!! This is my first time with them making seed pods. Don't know why i'm even worried about it,i have never been able to grow anything from seed. Someone else may like to have some i guess! Thumbs up I agree
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Dutchlady1
Aug 22, 2014 7:58 AM CST
My experience is they get 'dull' looking rather than shiny when they get ready to open.
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
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jojoe
Aug 22, 2014 7:26 PM CST
I have only had this experience with one other plant.This is the 2nd. summer 1 of my Hoya's has had seed pods.Last year the pods started in the summer and just grew larger until this summer,growing an entire year and i miss it opening and the seeds blew away,it only had 2 pods.This year now that i know what it is, i will pay more attention next summer.

How long approximately does it take for these pods to mature? They are about a month & a half or more old.They are soft and easily bent.I also assume the strong sun is the cause of the red color on the pods,the color is only on the top where the sun is the strongest.
Thank You!
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Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 25, 2014 11:07 AM CST
My whites and yellows have green pods, the pinks and reds have red pods, to varying degrees. The pods shouldn't be very mushy, but then I don't squeeze mine, so I'm not totally sure on that. I spray the pods twice a week with diluted fertilizer, really early in the morning before the sun's up. I do like to protect them from Milkweed bugs. These varmits suck the sap out of the developing seeds, and you get a pod full of fluff, and flat empty seeds that don't sprout.----

Hum the link didn't work, Anyway, a milkweed bug is about a half an inch long, bright orange and black.

" Pollination to ripening time is approximately 75 days in summer and 90 days in winter. " from Tropica Nursery, they produce over a million seeds a year, from 2,000 plants, whew! Read more at : http://www.tropicanursery.com/adenium/seeds.htm Some interesting seedlings at the bottom of that page.
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Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 27, 2014 10:56 AM CST
Jojoe, this is all good fun! Do you have plans for the hundreds of seeds you'll have?
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
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jojoe
Aug 28, 2014 6:48 AM CST
Melissa thank you for the link and the info!! Thank You!

I have plans of finding some people who would like to have these seeds and sharing away!!! Group hug I have a handicap besides my legs and it's growing plants from seeds!!! Thumbs down Confused I have tried and i have never been able to get seedling healthy enough to live very long after they sprout,it's actually so pitiful that i'm not even going to try this year.

If you want some send me a message,if i don't loose them to the wind.
I am going to post the first photo i took when i noticed the 1st. pod and then go outside and take one. If i could get some help with what yall think and help with instruction on the nylon covering.
Here's 1st. pod
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here's another pod almost 2 weeks later same plant
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2nd. plant
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1st. pod on 1st. picture almost 2 weeks later
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going to go outside now and get some pictures of both plants. Dates on 1st. picture is July 11th but the pods are coming at different times.I seen a new pod on the 1st. plant yesterday.The plants are different,wish i knew what types of A.O. they are.They are shaped different,the leaves are shaped different, 1 plant goes totally dormant every winter,the other only goes partially dormant in the winter.
A green thumb comes only as a result of the mistakes you make while learning to see things from the plants point of view!!
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Aug 28, 2014 10:15 AM CST
I'll risk a long post--- NO ACORNS or THUMBS!!! OK. please thank you.

The breeding in Adeniums has become so muddied by (mostly) breeders in Thailand, that it's just not possible to know what you really have.

In general, plants that have bigger wider leaves transpire, sweat, more, and use more water. Plants with narrow leaves, well, don't 'sweat' as much, and can more easily rot with over watering.

And, plants with the Arabian, arabicum, genes do go dormant for a few months in winter. They have been used in breeding a lot to try to get plants with more branches, and bigger caudexes. In SE Asia, arabicums are more popular, as people want form, rather than varieties of flowers. Arabicums have small pink flowers, for the most part. I have several obesums that were grafted onto arabicums, and that's like grafting a dog's head onto a horse's body, just not a good match! Neither top nor bottom do well, and the graft even looks stupid, with a spindly stem arising from a fatter caudex. The bottom forces the top to go dormant, and the top, that I bought the plant for, doesn't bloom well.

The flowers are even losing their names. One breeder made a "Double Santa", red with white edges, and another breeder, unrelated plants, made the same bloom, and named it "Miracle".

. >>>>>>>Remember, no thumbs or acorns, please thank you.<<<<<<<

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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Aug 28, 2014 2:36 PM CST
Thumbs up Hilarious!
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
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jojoe
Sep 10, 2014 2:17 PM CST
I am so sorry about my last post! Grumbling Sad I got my camera and started outside as soon as i posted my last post.It was just my luck my camera was dead and had to be charged.I went out and started messing around in a bed and stayed outside to long and done to much.I hate it but that's a bad combination for me,it's easy for me to end up on bed rest and that's what happened.I need to learn no matter how much i enjoy working with my plants & working outside the fact that i have MS always wins out.

I did get the pictures.I have been watching them carefully everyday.They all started growing at different times so they will be ready at different times.
Do they dry out or do anything that's a give away they are beginning to open??

I took these on 8-28-14
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here's the 1st. picture above now and the other plant doesn't have any new ones.
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A green thumb comes only as a result of the mistakes you make while learning to see things from the plants point of view!!
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
Thomson,Ga. (Zone 8a)
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jojoe
Sep 10, 2014 2:49 PM CST
@coconut, I meant to ask you if you knew of any link's to help with understanding a little more about your post.I have the 2 different plants,both have different color & shape of blooms & different shaped leaves. I didn't know there was such a difference in the 2 plants that their care is even a little different. Shrug! Lovey dubby I love mine,1 has been blooming since spring and is still going strong even with the seed pods.
these are from the shorter plant with long leaves
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The tall skinny plant started out 4yrs. ago as a tall stalk with 1 stem off to the side,It has a few more limbs now.It has shorter, rounder shaped leaves.It has always had the prettiest blooms of the 2.
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A green thumb comes only as a result of the mistakes you make while learning to see things from the plants point of view!!
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Sep 11, 2014 9:19 AM CST
NO THUMBS, NO ACORNS!

Jojoe, No big deal, just look at your plants and get to know them. Not a glance as you go by on your way someplace.

The Adeniums we grow are not far from wild plants, having been bred for only about twenty years now. Most of them, obbesum, grow in a long band, area, south of the Sahara desert in Africa, and north of the Congo Jungle, all the way from east to west Africa. They are accustomed to a dry season, and a rainy season. They never experience temperatures below 60.

BUT some other kinds of Adeniums also live in South Africa, and Somalia, and Saudi Arabia, and Oman, and a few other places. If they were dogs, they would be a different breed for each place, like, poodles here, , pugs there, , german shepards someplace else, People have collected them from the wild, and crossed them, so now most of the plants are very mixed breed.

SO, you must watch each plant you have and leard its' likes and dislikes. I would say you are doing quite well! Watch the larger pods, and you will see a slight change in color towards ripening. Browner or something.

Read other posts in this discussion group, lots of info.

OK, cheers, and remember, NO THUMBS, NO ACORNS!
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Deebie
Sep 11, 2014 11:42 AM CST
Thanks for posting, Melissa.
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Sep 12, 2014 10:46 AM CST
OK, Deebie, not necessary to acknowledge my comments. I have some mental problems in my life now, so am much too brittlely fragile. Dave said he didn't believe me when I said to not give acorns, and gave me two. a few days ago. I wonder what he'd think if his daughter came home upset from a date with the Basketball Star of her school, and said the guy didn't believe her when she said 'stop'. huh.
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