keithp2012 said:It seems nobody can answer my true question.If the seeds are hybrids and I'm being told about same kind of lily group germination that isn't helping.
Roosterlorn said:Hi Keith, and
If you give us a list of the cultivar names you made crosses of, I think (in fact, I'm very sure) we can give you the answers you're looking for. List them in the following manner.
Pod parent name X Pollen parent name.
Always be sure to LIST THE POD PARENT FIRST. From this we can establish 1. what lilium Division each parent is, 2. The ploidity of each, whether diploid, triploid or tetraploid, as well other important information on each, such as whether the resulting seed's germination is likely to be epigeal or hypogeal germination, or whether it will germinate at all by usual means. This will tell us a lot and help us explain things better. In fact, we may even be able to tell you if those still green pods you've got have good seeds (with embryos) in them or chaff in them, right now.
When you ask the question of which germination pattern to follow--the pod parents or the pollen parents--there is no hard rule to follow, one or the other. The germination type is largely governed by the Division it belongs to and when two lilies are crossed between two different Divisions, each is a new experience in most respects. However, hybridizers have gained a great deal of knowledge about such crosses. For instance, in the case of germination type, Oriental (hypogeal) X Trumpet (epigeal), generally favors yielding epigeal seed while crossing Asiatic (epigeal) X Trumpet (epigeal) produces epigeal seed, it can only be grown through embryo rescue. That's why it's important we get your list of crosses you made. I appreciate your persistence in getting the answers you're looking for All the information given by others above is still all very good information; it just didn't give you the answer you were looking for or understood clearly. Once we get that list we can pool our knowledge and give you the answers I think your looking for.
In the meantime, collect your seed. Make sure you dry it a few days by spreading it out on something like a sheet of paper (away from sunlight). Then freeze. Frozen seed will last 20 years or more and can be thawed for planting and the remaining seeds can be refrozen.
And don't forget--when listing crosses, pod parent is always first
grapus said:From a Danish friend I have learned that Tiger Babies can give seeds when pollinated with 4n asiatic pollen. I have 2 pods pollinated that way that are soon ready to split. My friend told me that he don't get many seeds from each pod, only a few.
Joebass said:Keith, are you talking about tiger babies
- Lily (Lilium Tiger Babies)
- Uploaded by Joebass
Or the tiger lily L. lancifolium?
When you first got to the forum I believe you were talking about the tiger lily....
pardalinum said:FYI Tiger Babies is (Trumpet x Asiatic) X Asiatic. It was developed through embryo rescue procedure.
I look forward to the learning about the contents of your two seed pods. If I were trying to get seed from Tiger Babies I would try tetraploid trumpet or tetraploid Asiatic as pollen parents.
Joebass said:Keith, here's a little more knowledge for you that might help future endeavors. Generally but not always most species lilies have diploid chromosomes.
Also known as 2n. That means there are one set from the pod parent and one from the pollen parent. Most species are diploids and a lot of the earlier hybrids are as well. Now some lilies are converted to a tetraploid chromosome count. Aka 4n. That means that there are two sets of chromosomes from each parent per cell. This results in a slightly larger and more robust plant in many cases. Tetraploidy status also can represent a heightened level of fertility in some cases. Now there is also triploid lilies as well. Aka 3n. That is where the lily has two sets of chromosomes from one parent and only one from another. This sometimes happens in wide crosses of lilies for reasons that I can't explain. These lilies are mostly pollen sterile but potentially pod fertile with 4n pollen. That is why it's good to know your ploidy count on lilies that you may want to cross.
I saw a chart last year that stated likely outcomes for breeding by ploidy. I will try to recollect it by memory. Remember always start with the pod parent.
2n x 2n = 2n offspring (good success)
2n x 3n = no offspring
2n x 4n = some 2n, 4n and mostly 3n offspring (moderate success)
3n x 2n = no success
3n x 3n = no success
3n x 4n = some 3n and 4n (low success)
4n x 2n = mostly 3n (moderate)
4n x 3n = no success
4n x 4n = 4n (moderate success)
Last but not least 'tiger babies' and L. Lancifolium are both believed to be triploid or 3n, meaning that your best bet to get any seeds would be to pollinate those 3n's with tetra pollen as others have also said.
I hope that is not too much for you to chew on Keith.
Anyone feel free to correct anything I may have stated incorrectly.