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skylark
Oct 1, 2014 11:35 AM CST
this a pic i took on vacation in mexico. looks like some sort of dieffenbachia, has 2-3' cane trunk, but coloration is quite unusual limey-yellow. it could be some sort of nutrient deficiency though. hard to tell. it's in the hotel atrium where plants are pretty well maintained in general, it gets sev hours of sun thru roof-glass, though it's 8fl atrium, so is very high. it's clearly a cultivated variety.
there is a mexican indigenous dief. oerstedii that looks very similar on the link below only green. but other sites show totally different plant under the same name(shorter leaves and a white stripe in the middle). i would tend to think that most likely it's the local d.oerstedii, but who knows...
see the 1st pic in the link:
http://olabrisagardens.com/foliage-plants/dieffenbachia/

there are species growing in central america that look very similar.
a few candidates are d. longispatha and also d.parlatorei. but i would think that it is from a local mexican nursery, so probably not an imported variety, but i am not that familiar with what is available in mexico.
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tarev
Oct 1, 2014 11:45 AM CST
Somehow it reminds me more of an anthurium than a dieffenbachia.
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mjsponies
Oct 1, 2014 11:46 AM CST
Gee Sky it could be Dieffenbachia oerstedii . Light levels can be so deceiving when photographing. If you photo was taken in very bright light it could make the plant in your photo appear to be a much lighter green. Sure is similar to the one in your link.
I've never grown Dieffenbachia's tho, and am not at all familiar with them.
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skylark
Oct 1, 2014 12:28 PM CST
well, i've grown just a reg dieff and seen var hybrids and i've seen many many foliage anthuriums too, though they're very diverse, but i know the growing habit at least.
so i examined this one very carefully, it's not the trick of light, it's definitely glaucous (i think that's the term?) and it has a cane as i said: shoudda taken a better pic of it, but i do have a not-so-good pic. at least you can see it's a dieff cane.
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mj, what do you think of other pics of d. oerstedii that they show if you google - why they are so different ? or are they incorrect?

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Oct 1, 2014 12:29 PM CST
oh, if you click on my pics - you'll see it much larger, so the detail is more visible (am never sure, if people know about this or not?).
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mjsponies
Oct 1, 2014 1:48 PM CST
I don't think it's an Anthurium. Those I am a bit more familiar with.

Don't know why the link you provided shows a solid green leaf/compared to googling and those images show a white stripe other than the plant shown in the article is not D. oerstedii . If you read the last sentence the author suggests this may be possible for the last photo of a different Dief. so why not this one too ?

Of the other two your showing D. longispatha looks most like it.

Maybe put on the plant ID forum. Some pretty good folks over there that figure these mystery plants out quick !

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skylark
Oct 1, 2014 4:15 PM CST
yeh, it could be a wrong pic, you never know..
did some more clicking: in this post towards the end there is a pic of d.oerstedii with lighter central vein : that seems to be a more common pic of it. but the leaves are much shorter then on 'mine'.
at the end there is d.longispatha - with longer leaves, more like in my pic.
http://www.infojardin.com/foro/showthread.php?t=258635
i thought may be here the aroideans will know about it, perhaps. figured if it's available in mexico - it's going to make it's way to US too. it's a nice color accent.
by the way, in the same place i saw sev anthurium cubense - it seems it's very common in mexico and widely available.
yah, i'll put it in plant id forum - not that it is that important. it's just unusual and i am always curious about unusual Big Grin .
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Oct 2, 2014 12:05 PM CST

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D. oerstedii in habitat (from Tropicos http://www.tropicos.org/ImageSearch.aspx )
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skylark
Oct 2, 2014 3:43 PM CST
so then it's more likely to be d. longispatha?
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extranjera
Oct 29, 2014 10:20 AM CST
I saw this thread and your pictures remind me of a couple of dieffenbachias that I have here in the Yucatan. They are common, I'm sorry but I don't know the name either. Some of them have lighter leaves and some are very dark green. I have one of each but they are not prime specimens as they are on a terrace that gets dim light in the summer so they are not looking good right now. I'm afraid that they also get forgotten fairly often when I'm watering. Here are a couple pics

This is the light green one, the newer leaves at the bottom seem to be doing ok but the original stalk is looking a bit dried out or light deficient.
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the whole plant

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This is the darker green version, I've had this one a lot longer and while it is showing the effects of less sun from the summer, it is used to it or doesn't need as much light.

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It's not easy to get latin names of plants here, there is one nursery whose owners are very knowledgeable and who generally can get me a true name. I will ask them about these plants the next time I'm there. I'm fairly certain they are dieffenbachia of some sort due to the cane like trunk.

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skylark
Oct 29, 2014 5:05 PM CST
Jonna, that infojardin link above shows pics of several plants similar to yours, with some guesses on what they might be.
the pic of 'my plant' is from yucatan, cancun to be exact.
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extranjera
Oct 29, 2014 7:54 PM CST
Good link, I think my dark green one is Dieffenbachia oerstedii. The lighter green (which looks darker in the picture than in reality) is a different one though. Not just because the color is different but also the thickness of the leaves and the size. In real life it is more the color of your picture and the veins are quite prominent.

I thought you probably were in Cancun, they are very common here.
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skylark
Oct 29, 2014 8:29 PM CST
i figured it must be some kind of locally produced plant. though the leaves on 'mine' are much larger - close to 3'. and i just cannot find a single pic with this type of yellow-green tone. it's very pretty!
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KurtMN
Nov 6, 2014 3:43 PM CST
Okay I'm going to stick my two cents in here even though I'm probably fishing. It does look like D. longispatha. Looking at it more closely, I think the problem stems from the fact that, that poor plants needs a bit of nitrogen and the sun itself, even for a few hours, could be too intense for those leaves and bleaching them out of the deeper green. But the color I'm seeing is more from lack of nitrogen. Chartreuse leaves tend to burn very quickly in intense light, these leaves look more nutrient starved. So there ya have it, my two cents. Smiling Try D. Camouflage if ya can.


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skylark
Nov 9, 2014 9:28 PM CST
yah, i think deficiency is a possibility, but it's a new planting, about 6 months - it was a complete reno and redo, all the way. it's a giant 'tropical garden' inside the atrium. light can't be a problem, as right next to this plant there are many anthuriums cubense and also aspleniums and many other tropical plants that do not take strong sun - they don't have burns.
in any case, next time i'll take more pics and see how it's doing Smiling
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mjsponies
Nov 10, 2014 7:01 AM CST
I'd like to know what the trailing "curtain" is in the background !
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plantladylin
Nov 10, 2014 10:23 AM CST
Lovey dubby Wow, great photo, that is one beautiful setting!

I'm also curious as to what the trailing plants are that comprise the "curtain" ... nice look!

Re: the Dieffenbachia ... our database currently has only one photo of Dumb Cane (Dieffenbachia longispatha) so if the one in your photo turns out to be longispatha we could sure use more pictures for future reference.

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skylark
Nov 10, 2014 5:57 PM CST
well, they won't know what it is, even if i ask, i'm afraid. but in ATP db d. longispatha looks just IT, except for coloration.
i certainly have not seen it in shops, though in florida nurseries, i bet, you can find it!
it makes for a handsome plant, not as gaudy as reg diefs (though i like them too).
'the hanging curtain' is easy-peasy you reg. 'golden pothos' - epipremnum aureum. but ..the catch is it's hanging 7! stories down...i am surely hoping to use it as a model for some future set-up.
i need to take more better pics of a place, as i have not been anywhere larger or more opulently planted Thumbs up
here's a closer look at a small area of that atrium that also serves as seating for a restaurant:
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plantladylin
Nov 10, 2014 6:00 PM CST
Gee, that sure is a pretty spot ... I'd never want to leave! Lovey dubby
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skylark
Nov 10, 2014 6:08 PM CST
and another closer shot of hanging epipremnum: in yet another atrium (they have several).
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