Insect and Bug ID forum: Can you identify a spider from the underside?

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Name: Debra
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lovemyhouse
Oct 9, 2014 2:08 PM CST
Stumbled on this guy (nearly literally!). When I could get back to try for a top side photograph, it and the web were gone. Any idea what it is?

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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Oct 9, 2014 4:44 PM CST
It is possible if you know what to look for and if it has distinctive markings. This doesn't look quite right for the common garden spider Araneus diadematus. I can say it's a female and it's an Orb weaver.

Neoscona crucifera looks a good bet.

http://bugguide.net/node/view/814725

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Neoscona+crucifera&tbm=isc...



Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover Plays in the sandbox
Butterflies Region: Texas I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member Annuals Garden Sages
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lovemyhouse
Oct 9, 2014 4:49 PM CST
Thank you, Janet, that does narrow the possibilities. It was an intriguing find. Wish I knew what happened to it. Was only an hour or so before I went back out and to the other side. All just gone.
If you don't ask, the answer is always 'no.'
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Oct 9, 2014 4:53 PM CST
This spider is mostly nocturnal, but females can be seen in daylight in the autumn .. she probably went into hiding. Spiders appear at this time of year as the females are maturing and they feed on late insects.

http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/misc/spiders/neoscona.ht...
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover Plays in the sandbox
Butterflies Region: Texas I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member Annuals Garden Sages
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lovemyhouse
Oct 9, 2014 5:46 PM CST
She must have been hungry, then? Hope she found lunch. Smiling
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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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flaflwrgrl
Oct 9, 2014 6:13 PM CST
Janet, do spiders pack up their webs & move? We have often seen a spider & it's web, only to find it gone, web & all, in hours or overnight or whatever only to find (we guess) the same spider in another nearby location.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
Charter ATP Member Organic Gardener Garden Photography Bee Lover Dragonflies Cat Lover
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JRsbugs
Oct 10, 2014 5:56 AM CST
I think they do that Ann, I've seen one which looked like it was collecting it's web. I don't know how they would rearrange the strands if they do that though, they are very sticky. Hilarious!

I have watched a spider making a web, they can move very quickly and make a good web in a very short time. I had an Araneus diadematus female inside my kitchen window, she had been living there since she was a tiny spiderling and had made some threads to catch her prey on the wall/ceiling. When she got big I thought it was time to put her outside, but we had some mild weather and I left the window open a tiny bit and she made her way back in! Late at night there she was, zooming from the corner of the window (she had lived in the middle at the top) down to the window ledge to peg her web. It was made in a jiffy and I didn't have the heart to move her again. Towards autumn there was barely an insect coming inside so I worried she wouldn't get enough food so I had to put her outside, there was another spider outside on the window top getting more than it's fair share. Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Oct 10, 2014 7:12 AM CST
Neat story Janet. She just loved your kitchen window!

I never imagined they rearranged the strands but rather thought they must eat them or something & that allows them to *process* it back into the strands. I wonder if there's any way to google that? I'm going to have to see.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Oct 10, 2014 7:17 AM CST
They do!

http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/spiders-recyc...

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/arachnids/spider5.htm

http://www.uwyo.edu/molecbio/faculty-and-staff/pamela-langer...

http://gurumagazine.org/askaguru/do-spiders-ever-run-out-of-...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
Charter ATP Member Organic Gardener Garden Photography Bee Lover Dragonflies Cat Lover
Butterflies Birds Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Spiders!
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JRsbugs
Oct 10, 2014 7:18 AM CST
I wondered if they eat the strands too Ann! Yes they do!

It is common for spiders to eat their own web daily to recoup some of the energy used in spinning. The silk proteins are thus recycled.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_web
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
Charter ATP Member Organic Gardener Garden Photography Bee Lover Dragonflies Cat Lover
Butterflies Birds Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Spiders!
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JRsbugs
Oct 10, 2014 7:20 AM CST
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Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
Dragonflies Dog Lover I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover Plays in the sandbox
Butterflies Region: Texas I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member Annuals Garden Sages
Image
lovemyhouse
Oct 10, 2014 7:26 AM CST
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If you don't ask, the answer is always 'no.'
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Oct 10, 2014 8:43 AM CST
JRsbugs said: Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing nodding Thumbs up

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I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



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