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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 14, 2011 12:19 PM CST
There has been some comments about a palm and cycad thread so I thought I would start one to see if it got any traction. I have about an acre of property on a lake just northwest of Tampa, Florida. On this property I have collected about 27 different species of palms and 9 species of cycads. I keep looking for a place to stick another one. Whistling I'll start out with my Canary Island Date Palm (Phoenix canariensis) which sits in the center of my circular drive in front of the house. It has been there for 13 years now and has become ever more massive. Anyway, I just love it and it makes a statement as you view the house.

Jim

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Here it is silhouetted by my big jacaranda tree in full bloom:
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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 14, 2011 12:27 PM CST
One of my favorites is the Ribbon Palm (Livistona decora). It is a self-cleaning palm and mine has grown quickly. The leaves are deeply divided causing it to look like ribbons hanging down and it looks wonderful in the breeze.

Jim

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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 14, 2011 12:39 PM CST
At the Southwest coner of the house stands two tall Washington Palms, aka Mexican Fan Palms (Washingtonia robusta) with a blue Bismark Palm (Bismarkia nobilis) growing underneath. It makes an impressive grouping.

Jim

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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 14, 2011 12:46 PM CST
This is a Florida native from the Everglades called a Paurotis Palm (Acoelorrhaphe wrightii). It's a clustering fan palm with the trunks wrapped in a burlap like fiber.

Jim

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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 14, 2011 12:48 PM CST
I have plenty more but I think I should shut up for a while and see if anything moves.

Jim
Name: Fred Rump
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Fred
Jul 14, 2011 7:13 PM CST
Jim, I planted a few baby Phoenix canariensis on the side of the house. I had bought them as seedlings and they survived the cold. I had them in pots for two or three years. Slow growers. I hope they do better in the ground otherwise I'll have to come back for another lifetime to see them up to your size tree.

I had the Paurotis too. It's a nasty tree to keep clean. Now I don't have any. I do have another nasty boy out front with giant long thorns. It grows lost of new shoots but my senior memory wan't let me in the name. My wife says it's a reclinata. Let me check. Yepp, she's right as usual. Senegal Date palm or phoenix reclinata. It's also impervious to the cold. I like things that will not get upset with a cold night. My jacaranda is barely hanging on though. Your lake must retain some warmth. I have a handful of blooms now. Like they are real late, right?

I'm upset with palms in general because I lost so many. I had lots of seedlings in pots and if the chipmonks didn't get them, the cold did. A few have survived when I moved them under cover. Everything is in the ground now and survives or not.

I also planted a few cycads among my bromeliads: The zamia is all over the place and there are others whose names escape me. We do a lot of the same stuff.
Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 17, 2011 7:10 PM CST
Fred, I think you will find the Canary even more hardy than the reclinata.

Palms didn't bring much traffic so I'll try one of my cycads. This is Ceratozamia hildae.

Jim

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Name: Sandi
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Jul 17, 2011 7:57 PM CST

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Jim, just because we don't post, it doesn't mean we don't appreciate the palms! I love seeing what others can grow. We were at Costco a few weeks after our worst freeze. They had a huge selection of palm trees....some 20 ft high. My husband suggested I pick some out to replace the ones we lost. I told him I didn't want to have my heart broken again. I'm resisting. I also lost a Kapok tree to that freeze.
Name: Fred Rump
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Fred
Jul 18, 2011 9:58 AM CST
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This is not the picture I wanted to show but it'll do. The king sago in the front has many pups coming out which I want to let grow and make a bigger slash by my front door. I just noticed some white scale near the center and sprayed again with organicide but the base readon for the healthyness of this sago where others are dying is the coffee ground I pick up from my Starbucks latte place. That stuff seems to act as a systemic and keeps the plant green and healthy even if I dodn't spray regularly. The bismark was planted the week I bought this place in 2004 as a little baby plant. I took off most of the frost danage but some of the fronds still show damage.

So, I now have to go out and remove the grass around the sago and spread my coffee.
Name: Susan
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gardenersdetective
Jul 18, 2011 11:37 AM CST
Stunning Fred. I was house hunting in Florida a few years ago and could never figure out why people didn't have palms in their landscape. Seems to me it's one of the advantages of living in that zone. Whenever I fly to Florida and see the palm trees at the airport, I know I've arrived in paradise. A whole calming effect takes over.
Name: Fred Rump
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Fred
Jul 18, 2011 1:52 PM CST
Lots of ants under that sago. They go whereever there are places above the wetness zone in the rain.

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tropicbreeze
Jul 21, 2011 7:16 AM CST
I like palms as well. In actual fact, I like a lot of different plants, palms are one of the groups I really like. My collection has been increasing steadily and with my wish list it's starting to look a bit scary. I won't go into the wish list but this is what I have at present:
Adonidia merrillii
Areca vestiaria
Arenga australasica
Arenga caudata
Arenga engleri
Arenga hookeriana
Arenga pinnata
Bismarkia noblis
Calyptrocalyx hollrungii
Calyptrocalyx polyphyllus
Carpentaria acuminata
Caryota mitis
Chamaedorea metallica
Chamaedorea seifrizii
Chambeyronia macrocarpa hookeri
Cocos nucifera
Corypha utan
Cyrtostachys renda
Drymophleus oliviformis
Dypsis leptocheilos
Dypsis lutescens
Dypsis madagascariensis lucubensis
Dypsis pinnatifrons
Elaeis guineensis
Hydriastele wendlandiana
Hydriastele ramsayi
Iguanura spectabilis
Licuala grandis
Licuala mapu
Licuala ramsayi
Licuala spinosa
Licuala wah
Livistona benthamii
Livistona humilis
Livistona inermis
Livistona rigida
Normanbya normanbyi
Pelagodoxa henryana
Phoenicophorium borsigianum
Phoenix roebelenii
Pinanga kuhlii
Prichardia pacifica
Ptychosperma burretanum
Ptychosperma linearis
Ptychosperma macarthuri
Rhapis excelsa
Rhapis subtilis
Sabal minor
Socratea exorrhiza
Wodyetia bifurcata

There's around 6 or 8 I don't have an ID for. Fortunately my wish list is a bit smaller than the one above (so far).

There's a lot fewer cycads though:
Bowenia serrulata
Bowenia spectabilis
Cycas armstrongii
Cycas calcicola
Cycas maconochiei
Cycas revoluta
Cycas xipholepis
Lepidozamia hopei
Zamia furfuracea
Zamia splendens
Zamia vasquezii

Some of those are still seedlings.

I wonder, is there ever an end to an obsession with plants. Confused
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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 21, 2011 11:49 AM CST
That is a great list of palms, Zig. It tells me you have a sizeable piece of property and are at least a zone 11. True? I have to pick palms that will take a little frost in the winter and my lot size is only an acre. I do have a Licuala grandis and a Hyophorbe lagenicaulis but both are in containers and well protected on cold nights. Here is my palm list:

Acoelorrhaphe wrightii (paurotis palm)
Arenga engleri (clustering sugar palm)
Beccariophoenix alfredii (high plateau palm)
Bismarkia nobilis (Bismark palm)
Caryota urens (toddy fishtail palm)
Chamaedorea cataractarum (cat palm)
Chamaedorea microspadix (hardy bamboo palm)
Chamaerops humilis, var. cerifera (European fan palm, blue form)
Copernicia alba (caranday palm)
Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (bottle palm)
Licuala grandis (licuala palm)
Livistona decipiens or decora (ribbon fan palm)
Livistona saribus (taraw palm)
Phoenix canariensis (Canary Island date palm)
Phoenix dactylifera (true date palm)
Phoenix reclinata (Senegal date palm)
Phoenix roebelenii (pygmy date palm)
Phoenix rupicola (cliff date palm)
Phoenix sylvestris (wild date palm)
Ravenea glauca or rivularis (majesty palm)
Rhapis subtilis (Thai lady palm
Sabal uresana (Sonoran palmetto)
Syagrus romanzoffiana (queen palm)
Wallichia densiflora (Wallich's dwarf fishtail palm)
Wallichia districhia (Wallich’s palm)
Washingtonia robusta (Washington palm)
Wodyetia bifurcata (foxtail palm)

My Cycad list:

Bowenia serrulata
Ceratozamia hildae
Ceratozamia kuesteriana
Dioon edule
Dioon edule ‘Palma Sola’
Dioon merolae
Dioon spinulosum
Encephalartos ferox
Encephalartos gratus
Encephalartos hildebrandtii
Lepidozamia peroffskyana
Zamia maritima (cardboard palm)
Zamia floridana (coontie palm)

I know they are not nearly as exotic as yours but I have to work within my boundries. I do grow lots of orchids but they are small enough to protect.

Jim
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Dutchlady1
Jul 21, 2011 12:44 PM CST
I am enjoying this thread. I don't have any palms (well, a couple of Christmas palms and a lone Foxtail) because my heart is with plumeria and I don't have the space,but I do love them, and we have quite a collection at the Botanical Garden where I work, including some very impressive Caryota gigas.
Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 21, 2011 2:47 PM CST
I haven't had much luck with plumerias as these cold winters the past couple of years have either killed them or severely damaged them. I can only protect so much and they get left out.

Zig, I would love to see some pictures of your palms and cycads.

Jim


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tropicbreeze
Jul 22, 2011 11:30 PM CST
You see very few Encephalartos here but that ferox is one I'd like to have.

Here's one of my Livistona humilis. They're native to this area. In fact in some places they dominate the understorey, although getting 10 to 12 metres tall they're a bit above the "understorey" category.
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A couple of Sabal minor. Photo's a few years old but they're slow growing and are not much taller now.
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Dypsis lutescens, a green stemmed form, with a creeping Ficus pumila on the trunks.
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Wodyetia bifurcata. This one keeps producing seeds but I've run out of people to give them away to.
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Caryota mitis. I cut it off near ground level when it starts to trunk. Otherwise when they get to flowering I end up with a lot of seed. As it is, birds and flying foxes bring in seed from the neighbourhood and there's lots of small ones germinating all over the place. And the bigger plants start to look straggly anyway.
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Chamaedorea seifrizii looks good in shady corners.
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The Elaeis guineensis have got too big to get a decent side on photo. There's the 2 tall and the one to the right which is still small. (not counting all the seedlings coming up around them).
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Sunrise at my place, Carpentaria acuminata in the centre, upper right a Cocos nucifera, lower right a NOID but suspect it's one of the Archontophoenix species.
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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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hawkarica
Jul 23, 2011 3:18 PM CST
Nice pics, Zig. We have problems with Chamaedorea here due to nematodes in our soil. Only the microspadix seem to be immune to them. Here is my Hyophorbe lagenicaulis on wheels so I can push it under cover on cold nights.
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This is my Zamia maritima (furfuracea)
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My newly planted Phoenix rupicola. They are hard to find here.
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Name: Fred Rump
Naples, FL (Zone 10a)
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Fred
Jul 30, 2011 1:26 PM CST
Can anybody ID the cycad in the picture. It's a thorny beast and looks like a giant fern.
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Name: Fred Rump
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Fred
Jul 30, 2011 6:06 PM CST
Jim, it says you made a post to this group today but it's not here. What gives?
Name: Fred Rump
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Fred
Jul 30, 2011 6:07 PM CST
Oh no. I'm sorry. It's you started this thread. I posted.

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