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Feb 25, 2015 11:19 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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That just really looks neat, Jim. We'll know more after a year perhaps.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Feb 25, 2015 11:27 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Beautiful! I think that's going to be a happy plant.

I wonder if this sponge looked anything like this when it was in the sea? I've always thought these looked like vases or planters when I was diving. Pale lavender and look like they're made of amethyst crystals.

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Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Feb 25, 2015 11:28 AM CST
Name: Tara
NE. FL. (Zone 9a)
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Hurray! Gorgeous, Jim!!! Love, love, love this! Lovey dubby What a great idea!!! Thumbs up
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Feb 25, 2015 1:30 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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Jim, it looks wonderful!
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Feb 26, 2015 8:05 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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This little Restrepia lansbergii has been languishing amongst my mounted species for about 10 years and last Summer it actually started to add some good growth. Low and behold, we have a bloom! ( I got this from Hoosier Orchids)
This is supposed to be a cold to cool grower, I have less than ideal conditions for this one.
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Feb 26, 2015 8:20 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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See, patience pays off (usually). Thumbs up
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Feb 26, 2015 8:24 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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Well, yes. Smiling
This one is so small, that I didn't mind it just hanging there.
As we say: "It didn't eat any bread!" Smiling
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Feb 26, 2015 9:11 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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And isn't it funny how they will sit and sit and sit, and then suddenly a year or three later they decide they're finally happy, and grow!

Several of the 'orphan orchids' I got when the neighboring grower was going out of business 3 years ago have done that, specifically my Blc. Blazing Treat and Trick or Treat plants. I bought two of each and it appears I've lost one somewhere, but the other three have now decided it's ok to live and bloom here. Poor guy gets a new pot as soon as he's finished blooming.

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Big raft of 'maybe Yellow Birds' has had a few, here's one at my favorite stage, just changing from rose/ivory to peachy. All those stems had buds back in January, but either the cold or bugs aborted most of the blooms. Sad I think the dormant oil spray has helped this one a lot!

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My noid Den nobile has both stems in bloom now! If I can just keep this one alive I'll be so happy.



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Elaine

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Feb 26, 2015 10:11 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Look'n good, Elaine. Thumbs up
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Feb 26, 2015 10:59 AM CST
Name: Tara
NE. FL. (Zone 9a)
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Oooo, Ursula, what a beautifully delicate looking bloom! Thumbs up

Elaine, great blooms! I especially love the 'raft'! Could you speak a bit more about the dormant oil spray that you mentioned? I don't believe I know of it. *Blush*
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Feb 26, 2015 12:36 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Ursula mentioned using it a while back, Tara. It's something that I think is best used in the cool weather, hence the name 'dormant' oil spray. What I used was All Season's Horticultural and Dormant Spray Oil. Got it at Home Depot.

Spray it on, it smothers all the insects it comes in contact with (so spray thoroughly) then rinse it off again right away. Don't let the plants be in the sun with the oil on the leaves or they could burn.

I did two applications about 2 weeks apart, just to get any 'hangers on' and my plants have responded really well. Since my orchids live outdoors most of the time, I really need to stay on top of any bug infestations. I've long ago accepted that growing orchids outdoors in FL I am certainly going to fight more bugs and diseases than people who grow indoors or in controlled conditions, so something like that oil spray is a really great preventive measure in the winter time for me, it seems.

The systemic insecticides like Bayer 3-in-1 have a fatal flaw, in that the insects can develop resistance to them over time. Any bug that survives the application of it will then produce offspring that are also resistant, and you have a whole new resistant population of the little monsters . . . So a 'mechanical' insecticide is a much better solution for me.
Elaine

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Feb 26, 2015 12:55 PM CST
Name: Tara
NE. FL. (Zone 9a)
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Thank You! so much, Elaine! Sounds like an item that I'll have to keep in mind, as all of my orchids will be once again outside come Spring.

I never have liked having to use any 'cides', on any of my plants, but the time does come occasionally, that it is the only control that will truly, control those buggers. Whistling
I tip my hat to you.
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Feb 26, 2015 1:09 PM CST
Name: mj
Central Florida
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Ursula, I love love your Restrepia lansbergii. Not one that would be happy here tho... Sad

Elaine my Yellow Bird is budding up. Surprise since it took a tumble from the top shelf of the greenhouse and the pot shattered and the plant was splatted on the floor.
God gave us wings. He just called them horses
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Feb 26, 2015 1:14 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
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thanks!

Well said, Elaine!
I have been using the last couple of years the triple Bayer stuff mostly only once a year, when I bring my plants outside in the Spring, mostly on my larger Cattleyas. Then they get a really good dose with the sprayer. In the Fall I might hit only a couple of plants with it.
Now indoors, I have been keeping a spray bottle with the All Season's Horticultural and Dormant Spray Oil handy, so when I see a small start of an infestation, I go immediately into the bug killer mode!!
Elaine, Orchids growing indoor are probably not less prone to Scale invasions, compared to your outside, I simply can't direct the fans onto every side of every Orchid. Most of plants seem to stay clean, but some are just terrible bug magnets, most Cattleyas come to mind. Rupicolous Laelias need to be inspected often, also Tolumnias. Thumbs down
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Feb 26, 2015 4:02 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
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Elaine, I didn't mention that I like your pics from today, especially the Noid Den nobile is very nice!! Lovey dubby
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Feb 26, 2015 4:10 PM CST
Name: Kate
Holmes Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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The systemic insecticides kill everything....even the good and endangered.... Crying
"A garden isn't meant to be useful. It's for joy." - Rumer Godden
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Feb 26, 2015 9:01 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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. . but only if they're actually feeding on the plant's tissue.

Most have been tested for transference to pollen so at least the bees and other pollinators are not endangered.
Elaine

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Feb 27, 2015 5:40 AM CST
Name: Kate
Holmes Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Imidacloprid and neonicotinoids are directly linked to honey bee colony collapse, and these are the two most commonly used chemicals in pesticides. Bayer invented and held the patent on Imidacloprid, the ingredient in their systemic "2 in 1" rose and shrub insecticide, but now the chemical is available to any manufacturer without restriction. Sad It can hang out in the soil for 5 years and is 20-30 times more toxic than Sevin Dust to pollinators.

"A recent report from the Xerces Society states that ornamental plants treated with a soil drench of imidacloprid have concentrations of imidacloprid high enough to kill bees in the blossoms for months to years following treatment. Imidacloprid lasts longer than a year and using it annually on plants may increase the amounts found in pollen and nectar.

An insecticide does not have to kill in order to have an effect. Organisms may survive exposure to low doses but suffer physiological or behavioral changes. There is limited information on such sublethal effects on bees, but research has indicated that exposure to neonicotinoids can affect bees ' ability to fly and navigate, learn, and reproduce."

http://www.xerces.org/neonicot...

We had 3 huge double blooming hibiscus bushes that were totally infested with thrips when we moved in...the blooms would just plop to the ground before even opening. Then they would rot and stick to the driveway so badly they had to be pressure washed off, eventually. I tried everything....and when the Ag extension guy said imidacloprid systemics were the only option, I dug them up and sent them to the landfill....can't stomach adding to the concentration of pesticides around here. I haven't seen a single bee in my neighborhood since I moved it.
"A garden isn't meant to be useful. It's for joy." - Rumer Godden
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Feb 27, 2015 7:20 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
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Kate, I thank you very much for the excellent/interesting article. I am halfway through and I will finish it.

However, there is so much debatable material expressed that I would think this may not be the right place to discuss it here. I fear we will have different opinions amongst the members of this forum, which might lead to bad blood down the road.
If you all disagree with me, and you really want to have a discussion about it, how about moving it to the sandbox?
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Feb 27, 2015 7:41 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I see nothing wrong in discussing what our use of pesticides (or anything else for that matter) does to the insect/animal population, but as Ursula gently suggested, perhaps the "Sandbox" is a better place for those discussions. Shrug!
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