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Aug 29, 2015 1:53 PM CST
Name: woofie
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Nah, not cool--WARM! Hilarious!
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Aug 29, 2015 1:59 PM CST
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Hilarious!
indeed.
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Aug 29, 2015 2:15 PM CST
Name: woofie
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Along those same lines, something else I've been contemplating. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GNWK2XO/
No experience with this sort of light, just somewhat intriguing.
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Aug 29, 2015 3:31 PM CST
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Hmmm....wondering if that light might be good for herbs that I overwinter (currently using a plain plant bulb). Can't beat the price...and it's on Amazon prime so free shipping Hurray! . Darn you, Woofie--you are such an enabler Rolling on the floor laughing
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Aug 30, 2015 2:53 AM CST
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Aug 30, 2015 5:35 AM CST
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Hilarious!
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Aug 31, 2015 5:15 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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crittergarden said:...
I have room in the basement ONLY.
The temperature fluctuates wildly down there.
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Is there NO system available where you can dial in what you want the temperature to BE, steadily?
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Thoughts?


I don't think seedlings are HURT much by being a little too cold - they just germinate slower. And once they emerge, your basement might "pre-harden them off", at least a little.

You might get part-way there by making a big tent that encloses your lights and trays. That will tend to keep temps UP when the basement gets cold. I would try to use white reflective panels as part of the tent, then plastic over the top to hold warm air in. I applaud using Styrofoam to keep the heat-mat warmth from running away through the shelving.

However, if you make the tent tight enough to hold in much warmth, it will hold in almost all the humidity. That might be OK until the first few seedlings emerge - then it's a formula causing lots of damping off.

In fact, if the tent cuts down on the drafts, it might be bad for seedlings' growth phase. Maybe a small fan INSIDE the tent? Now it starts to sound like a plant research growth chamber.

And nothing here would keep the seedlings cool when the basement overheats. At best, a heat mat with a thermostat would shut off the heating pad.

Maybe enclose a few shelves with plastic, styrofoam or white drywall to keep heat in, and START your seeds on those shelves. Humidity is a plus.

Then, when a tray or half a tray emerges, move that tray (or that half) to a shelf with less enclosure and more air circulation. Give it the cooler, drier air that emerged seedlings prefer.

My only other idea is an expensive one: put a small electric heater in your basement or under the plight shelves and keep it at a constant (warm) temperature. Maybe not THAT expensive if the basement is well insulated and you don;t keep it VERY warm. Just enough to reduce the wild swings.
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Aug 31, 2015 9:09 PM CST
Name: Julia
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I bought this last year, junk not enough light for anything.
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Sep 1, 2015 5:43 AM CST
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Thanks, rick - you added some good points there.

Basement never gets too HOT.
I can push the dresser up to the wall and tent it off that way, then remove the plastic when they sprout.
I have several scavenged mirrors to increase the light.
And I have a small desk fan I can put in there.

Would not even have thought of tenting if you hadn't said it.

Back in 2004, I successfully started seeds, including asclepias tuberosa and lavender.
Just in peat pots in the kitchen - no tent, no nothin.
I don't know what happened, but I lost the touch.
I'm ready to try again, paying more attention!

I have only a few seeds for one special plant that specifies 70 degrees to germinate, so I am glad I asked my question and found the thermostat.
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Sep 1, 2015 4:14 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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>> Back in 2004, I successfully started seeds, including asclepias tuberosa and lavender.
>> Just in peat pots in the kitchen - no tent, no nothin.

Lavender? Isn't that slow and irregular germination? OK, you totally know how, now it's just finding convenient ways to do the same en masse.

>> I have only a few seeds for one special plant

Ahhh. That's a different story. You want the highest possible germination rate and lowest possible risk. Always room for more care there. Have you considered a paper-towel method like Dr. Deno's method?

Have you researched various opinions about your "special needs" seeds? Light and soil medium as well as temperature?

I find seed packets' information very useless when the best advice would sound like a lot of work to a casual buyer, like cold-wet stratification, or a several-step stratification like warm-cold-warm. Botanical Interests seed packets have good info even when it might discourage some sales.
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Sep 1, 2015 5:05 PM CST
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Those lavender seeds just camein a packet at the supermarket and I sprinkled them over top of the not-so-special soil in the peat pots. Worked fine. Beginner's luck I guess.

I haven't dug in deep yet for the special seeds, but I WILL before I try to start them.
I did google, and that's where I got the 70% requirement.
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Sep 1, 2015 8:09 PM CST
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Julia, I agree with you 100%. Those LED lights, and I couldn't care less what the light spectrum is, have such low wattage, their output couldn't possibly grow plants well. These light are nothing more than gimmicks. These companies are snake-oil salesmen, nothing more. Save you money.
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Sep 1, 2015 8:46 PM CST
Name: Julia
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I have 2 of the heat mats that hold 5 flats and a four plug thermostat. Love these! I have used them for over ten years in my greenhouse and are well worth the money. I didn't buy from here but stuebers in Snohomish WA.

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The thermostat and one mat. I put the thermostat in a one gallon zip lock back to keep the water out. I grow all kinds of seeps here begonia, petunia and also keep coleus soil warm so I can keep the temp down to 60.

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I grow lots of plants and seeds on those mats. Water with a hose and water breaker and they have never missed a season.
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Sep 2, 2015 5:06 AM CST
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Thanks for that source with the "Durable" in its name.
Just confirming: Are you saying that's brand that has lasted you 10 years?
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Sep 2, 2015 8:53 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Youch! Those Pro-Grow mats are a bit beyond my budget! But, then I'm just a dabbler. Smiling
For the record, tho, I've been quite pleased with my HydroFarm mats. I can't remember how long ago I bought them, but I know I've had my little greenhouse for about 9 years and all my mats still work just fine. I have them plugged into power strips with on/off switches.
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Sep 2, 2015 8:58 AM CST
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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Yes those are the mats I have.
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Sep 2, 2015 9:44 AM CST
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Neither option is particularly inexpensive!
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Sep 2, 2015 10:50 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Julia, can you successfully use that thermostat with more than one mat?
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Sep 2, 2015 11:34 AM CST
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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Yes, I run two. They run a bit hot so if I want 70 turn to 68 or so. However they both run at the same temp, so that is a problem if your growing different seeds. If you want 2 mats at different temps you have to have 2 thermostats. Most seeds give you a range for temp so I run everything a on the cooler side of the range. Mine has plugs for 4 but my greenhouse is not that big to accommodate that many mats. Also one can only manage so many seeds. One 5 place mat is more than enough to grow seeds. I usually use the other mat for cuttings like coleus and Pels. They seem to root faster with some heat and I can keep the air temp cooler. I start my begonia seed on New Years Day, then petunia and other faster growing annuals end of Feb. or first part of March so that takes care of the different temp requirements.
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Sep 2, 2015 11:39 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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I tried using my HydroFarm thermostat with two 4-flat mats, and one mat would be too cold and the other too warm. Sounds like the more expensive Pro-Grow might be worth the additional expense! Hmmm, wonder if I could use just the thermostat with my HydroFarm heat mats...
Have you used your thermostat with different sized mats?
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