Plant ID forum: Black Magic (Pseuderanthemum carruthersii); beautiful black-leafed plant

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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Mar 7, 2015 8:32 AM CST


A friend had this growing in her yard. She said it was an Amaranthus nigrum. I cannot find a reference to such a plant. Also when I did a google search for black leafed plants I could not find a match. Can anyone help? It is growing in zone 11
Name: Dave Paul
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Metrosideros
Mar 7, 2015 9:29 AM CST
That looks like a Pseuderanthemum (Acanthaceae).

Maybe Pseuderanthemum carruthersii var. atropurpureum 'Black Varnish'.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0SO8xIaF...
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chelle
Mar 7, 2015 9:46 AM CST
It's rather difficult to tell what those blooms really look like, but try Eranthemum nigrum and see what you think.

http://www.kartuz.com/pc/80069/7RFPH/Eranthemum+nigrum.html
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Mar 7, 2015 9:49 AM CST
Eranthemum nigrum is a match I think. Including the bloom shape. And the name is close enough to what she told me (I might have misheard...)
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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Mar 7, 2015 9:56 AM CST
Hurray!

You're welcome, Hetty.

It is a pretty plant! Lovey dubby
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Name: Dave Paul
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Metrosideros
Mar 7, 2015 1:58 PM CST
Please keep in mind that Eranthemum nigrum is a synonym for Pseuderanthemum carruthersii.

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/215628...
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JRsbugs
Mar 7, 2015 2:40 PM CST
[quote="Metrosideros"]Please keep in mind that Eranthemum nigrum is a synonym for Pseuderanthemum carruthersii.

]http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/215628...

The Plant List says the same ..

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2791810

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2406673
Name: Dave Paul
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Metrosideros
Mar 7, 2015 2:48 PM CST
Thanks Janet! Good to see that Kew is getting up to date.
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Frillylily
Mar 7, 2015 2:56 PM CST
will this live in zone 5 or 6 as a perennial or is it grown only as annual?
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Mar 7, 2015 3:00 PM CST

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Thanks for the heads up on names Dave and Janet.
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Name: Dave Paul
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Metrosideros
Mar 7, 2015 3:11 PM CST
Hi Frillylily,

It is a tropical plant, so can't be outside in temperature lower than 55 degrees F, but can grow indoors with good lighting.
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JRsbugs
Mar 7, 2015 4:32 PM CST
Metrosideros said:Thanks Janet! Good to see that Kew is getting up to date.


It seems Kew is 'catching up'. Hilarious! Their date is later than the one given on ITIS.

http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic...

Interestingly, the source World Plants (which is new to me!) on Catalogue of Life states:

WorldPlants and WorldFerns are synonymic checklists of the vascular plants of the world (including ferns and lycophytes). The data set has been compiled over the last 20 years by starting from the basic data of the Kew Index and the Index Filicum


http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/database/id/141

Name: Evan
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eclayne
Mar 7, 2015 5:14 PM CST

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I've revised the name of Eranthemum nigrum to be a synonym for Black Magic (Pseuderanthemum carruthersii). I've also edited Purple False Eranthemum (Pseuderanthemum carruthersii var. atropurpureum) to include both Pseuderanthemum atropurpureum and Eranthemum atropurpureum as synonyms.

I've also added an entry for Pseuderanthemum carruthersii var. atropurpureum 'Black Varnish' although I'm unsure of the correct species or infraspecific name.

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Bubbles
Jun 20, 2016 11:48 AM CST
I have what is labeled 'Black Varnish' and would like to add it. It has a very dark reddish purple cast to it and the leaf is more rounded. It definitely has shiny leaves. Wondering if Black Varnish is just the trade name.


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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 20, 2016 1:55 PM CST
It's being shown on the tag/label as a cultivar name so it's probably Pseuderanthemum carruthersii var. atropurpureum 'Black Varnish'
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