Plant ID forum: 2 Perennials; for ID

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Name: Reid
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Anderwood
Apr 20, 2015 6:34 PM CST
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abhege
Apr 20, 2015 9:09 PM CST
The first one reminds me of a hydrangea but not sure. It's so familiar. Maybe a helinium? I should know this one!!!

Second one is an echinacea.

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bamira
Apr 21, 2015 1:18 AM CST
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 21, 2015 8:37 AM CST
First one looks familiar but nothing coming to me yet. Second one looks like Rudbeckia 'Goldsturm'. Be easier to tell later Smiling
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jvdubb
Apr 21, 2015 8:43 AM CST
I was thinking Helliopsis on the first one and Rudbeckia on the second. Too hairy to be Echinacea
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 21, 2015 9:13 AM CST
I'm not sure if it's an optical illusion but the first one looks like it might have square stems. If it does that would most likely, but not exclusively, put it in the mint family Lamiaceae.
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jvdubb
Apr 21, 2015 9:54 AM CST
Ooh! Good eye! Might it be a type of Monarda??
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abhege
Apr 21, 2015 10:32 AM CST
Of course, rude Rudbeckia, not echinacea.
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sooby
Apr 21, 2015 11:57 AM CST
jvdubb said:Might it be a type of Monarda??


I wondered about that but I don't think the leaf tips are pointy enough.

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chelle
Apr 21, 2015 6:11 PM CST
#1 I agree with jvdubb. My Heliopsis helianthoides looks like this right now.
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abhege
Apr 21, 2015 7:43 PM CST
Dang, I had the "h" part right!!!! Hilarious!
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sooby
Apr 22, 2015 5:23 AM CST
Heliopsis helianthoides looks to have sharper teeth on the leaf edges than the plant in question - scroll down to second picture here:

http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowopp/Heliopsis_helianthoi...

@Anderwood, can you verify that the stems are square in plant 1 and that I'm not seeing things that aren't there? If they are it would narrow down the possibilities. I don't recall heliopsis being one of the plants that, in addition to the mint family, has square stems.
Name: Reid
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Anderwood
Apr 22, 2015 6:29 AM CST
They are square.
Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 22, 2015 7:28 AM CST
Anderwood said:They are square.


OK, thank you, that narrows the field down to something in the mint family or one of the few other plants that also have square stems.

Does it smell minty?

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