Peonies forum: Mystery Peony

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Bill007007
May 28, 2015 6:26 AM CST
Can anyone identify me peony?

William
Brooklyn, NY

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Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
May 28, 2015 8:44 AM CST
How tall is it? It is really beautiful, such a nice form and looks to have strong stems, which makes me think it is probably a fairly modern variety. Browsing this site may give some clues:

http://www.songsparrow.com/catalog/plantlist.cfm?type=PEONY,...
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi

Bill007007
May 28, 2015 3:26 PM CST
Hello:

I have some additional information on my peony. It's 38 inches tall, has stiff stems, light fragrance, gold stamens, and a bloom time of the 3rd and 4th weeks of May. Even if someone could narrow it down to say 5 possibilities it would be very helpful. Thanks.

William
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
May 28, 2015 7:25 PM CST
Can it be Rozella? The only stiff stems pink that I know is Rozella.

springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 28, 2015 10:16 PM CST
http://peonyparadise.com/rozella.aspx


http://hollingsworthpeonies.com/inc/sdetail/391/8238

could also be Bev.

http://www.coldclimategardening.com/2007/06/19/peonies-garde...
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
May 29, 2015 4:39 AM CST
As for timing of bloom, it would be more helpful to know the timing in comparison to other peonies in your area, early, mid season or late blooming.
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Name: Liz Best
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LizinElizabeth
May 29, 2015 7:09 AM CST
So what do you think, William? Could it be any of the 3 names suggested between the 2 forums? So far I've seen Edulis Superba, Edulis Supreme and Rozella. Edulis Superba and Supreme bloom early, Rozella is said to be a late bloomer.
Liz
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 29, 2015 9:57 AM CST
gemini_sage said:As for timing of bloom, the actual dates of bloom don't mean much since we don't know where you are geographically. It would be more helpful to know the timing in comparison to other peonies in your area, early, mid season or late blooming.


Says he is in NY

Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
May 29, 2015 10:00 AM CST
I had just realized that and edited my post, LOL! Don't really know bloom times there either, so early, mid season, or late would help.
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Frillylily
May 29, 2015 10:33 AM CST
so did this bloom before, during or after the other peonies in the area bloomed?

Bill007007
May 29, 2015 12:03 PM CST
Hello:

I live in Growing Zone 7. I also have a Red Charm peony which is considered to have an early bloom time. The Mystery peony blooms just after Red Charm so it must be a mid-season bloomer. I want to examine my peony again tonight to see if its petals fade to silver at the edges. This will help me decide if it is Rozilla, Bev, Edulis Superba, Edulis Supreme or some other variety.

William

Bill007007
May 29, 2015 12:50 PM CST
Hello:

As I recall, I purchased this peony about 10 to 15 years ago from Gilbert H. Wild. Maybe, someone has an old catalog and could find it there?

William
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
May 29, 2015 2:32 PM CST
If you bought it at Gilbert Wild 15 years ago, I doubt it is Rozella. Rozella was registered in 1990 and its introduction would be much later. Plus yours blooms midseason whereas Rozella blooms late so I guess you can cross Rozella out.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
May 29, 2015 2:55 PM CST
You may want to try emailing Gilbert Wild your photos and see if they offer any suggestions. Might be a long shot, but some vendors are very willing to help, so it couldn't hurt to ask.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi

Bill007007
May 29, 2015 4:58 PM CST
Hello:

I tried sending pictures to Gilbert Wild last year. They were of no help.

William
Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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LizinElizabeth
May 29, 2015 6:02 PM CST
Gilbert Wild had quite the rep for sending mislabeled peonies for quite a while, seem to have gotten better the last few years. I've found Hollingsworth and Adelman's responded quickly and helpfully with some I asked them about. I also had some that I got from Gilbert Wild that I couldn't ID, had the same results from them that you did. Maybe they're kinda gun shy in case you wanted to tell them they sent the wrong roots! Do you have any local growers in your area? I've managed to ID a few of mine by finding blooming ones for sale at a local nursery. Also ID'ed a couple (probably) when I went to the UofM peony garden 2 years ago. I took pics of those that I thought were possibles, close-ups of flowers and foliage, and compared when I got home.
Liz

Bill007007
May 29, 2015 6:34 PM CST
Hello:

As I recall the peony I received from Gilbert Wild very accurately matched the description in their catalog. As you see it is very nice and that it why I chose it. The problem is I didn't remember its name.

William

Bill007007
May 30, 2015 4:02 PM CST
Hello:

After carefully considering the Mystery Peony's characteristics which are:

Bloom Time: Midseason
Height: 38 inches to center of highest blooms
Stems: strong
Fragrance: light
Silvery Edges: yes
Gold Stamens: yes

I have concluded the best match is the peony Bev.
I thank you all for participating. It was fun. Congratulations goes to Frillylily who nominated Bev. If anyone disagrees please let me know.

Regards,
William

Bill007007
Jun 1, 2015 7:16 AM CST
Hello:

I've attached a photo of Bev so that you may compare it with the Mystery peony.

William
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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Bulbs Cottage Gardener Roses Irises
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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gemini_sage
Jun 2, 2015 5:13 AM CST
Looks like a good match. I really like that one- nice form.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi

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