Plant ID forum: Coastal Stonecrop (Lenophyllum texanum)

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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Jul 18, 2015 10:55 AM CST
I know this is Lenophyllum, but I don't know which one. There are no photos of Lenophyllum in the database and no generic Lenophyllum to post a photo. I'd much rather know which one I'm growing in any case. Do any of you experts know or can you direct me to a source to get the correct id?


Donald
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jul 18, 2015 11:09 AM CST
Could it be Lenophyllum texanum? Is a plant native to your area? http://southeastgarden.com/lenophyllum.html
http://paintedflowerfarm.com/pages/plants/natives/sedum,texa...

Lenophyllum acutifolium
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/370658/
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jul 18, 2015 12:14 PM CST
Texanum would be my best guess, but in photos I can't tell that my plant or texanum is any different from acutifolium or latum. All the Lenophyllums are native to Texas and Mexico. I acquired this way back in the 70s. I believe it's a greenhouse weed and perhaps a weed in lots of circumstances. It's one of the toughest plants in existence. It seems to adapt to lots of different growing conditions and thrive. Depending on how much light it gets, what kind of light it gets and the amount of moisture it receives, it can present a variable face. The original plant (where I got the leaf that started mine) grew under florescent light 24 hrs a day in a big office building. It looked frail and delicate and grew in a tiny container without drain holes and endured haphazard care. That should have tipped me off at how tough it really is. Mine obviously does not look frail and delicate. It's not altogether winter hardy in my location, but some escaped and lived on bare gravel outside on the north side of the house for a few years without any care. It finally disappeared after a winter with really cold temperatures. I like it, but it should probably come with a warning sign! I'm guessing mine is probably L. texanum simply because I have the idea that it was distributed as 'Coastal Sedum' for a while. The original plant was simply called a sedum when I got it. But I'm not assuming even when distributed as 'Coastal Sedum' that those doing the distribution really knew much about the plant.
Donald
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jul 18, 2015 6:12 PM CST
I am wondering if your local county extension office could help with a for sure ID? They should know how to tell the difference between the two.
It sure is one great looking plant.
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 18, 2015 6:46 PM CST
It looks like this photo of L. texanum to me: http://www.paintedflowerfarm.com/pages/plants/natives/sedum,...
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jul 18, 2015 7:11 PM CST
I agree Lin.
Name: Jolana
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froggardener
Jul 18, 2015 9:50 PM CST
I have lenophyllum texanum and one that was purchased decades ago tagged sedum. They are identical in every way
Yours looks exactly like mine.
I will try to take a pic tomorrow of the full pots
This pic if of one of the pots I toss broken succulents in

Thumb of 2015-07-19/Jolana/e3e9be

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Helen Mirren
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Jul 19, 2015 6:02 AM CST
Yes, that does look like mine.

Interesting pot there, the Lenophyllum, what looks like a bit of Sedum 'Ogon' and a lot of what appears to be Sedum 'Blue Spruce' and a healthy crop of mushrooms. I always think I'm keeping the soil to damp for Sedum when I see mushrooms growing with them, but I've seen it happen so many times without any negative effect that I more or less quit fretting about it.

If you get a good photo of L. texanum, I hope you post it in the database and I won't put mine up since it's more doubtful.
Donald
Name: Jolana
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froggardener
Jul 19, 2015 6:40 AM CST
I couldn't get a great shot this morning because of the heat and humidity, kept fogging my lens, lol
I have had this plant sit in water and it didn't blink, lol
I'll try to take a better one later, Smiling Although, I would bet yours is the same Thumbs up
I had to come back to say, these pots have only been watered one time since the last rain anf then they were watered heavily every days for almost 2 months

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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jul 19, 2015 7:45 AM CST
Looks like a good photo to me. It does look the same as mine. Search Google photos for Lenophyllum acutifolium and you'll see some that look the same as ours do as well. Since it's a limited and somewhat obscure plant, I'm wondering if some species aren't really distinct from each other and just haven't been studied enough. I know mine can take on a lot of different appearances depending on the growing conditions. And it can adapt to just about any growing condition except extreme cold, I think.
Donald
Name: Jolana
Mountain City, Tx (Zone 8b)
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froggardener
Jul 19, 2015 7:56 AM CST
There is a succulent house here that has, I believe, every one and when I am there in front of them, they look different but I am happy with mine. It has been tried and true. Like you said, it looks different with different growing conditions. I have one in more shade, it's taller (leggy) and the leaves are long and skinny, lol

People always want to tell me, it is a different plant, even though I know I broke it off of the original and stuck it in that pot, LOL
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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jul 19, 2015 8:25 AM CST
Jolana said:There is a succulent house here that has, I believe, every one and when I am there in front of them, they look different but I am happy with mine.


I'd like to visit that place and see them!! I don't see Lenophyllums very often and it would be great to see different ones grown side by side in the same growing conditions. Then you see differences not always apparent in photos. Also there are a couple that look interesting. I wonder if they are all as easy to grow as mine?

Donald
Name: Jolana
Mountain City, Tx (Zone 8b)
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Bee Lover The WITWIT Badge Region: Texas Garden Art Irises
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froggardener
Jul 19, 2015 12:27 PM CST
I don't know, the answer could be that we don't see them often, lol
If I ever get back there or anywhere they have different ones, I'll take a pic
I can tell you it wont be during the summer, lol
Those places are super hot to me. Someone told me it is more open now, it was in a fiberglass greenhouse
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Helen Mirren
Name: Jolana
Mountain City, Tx (Zone 8b)
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Bee Lover The WITWIT Badge Region: Texas Garden Art Irises
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froggardener
Jul 25, 2015 8:31 AM CST
His another pic @needrain



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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jul 25, 2015 12:35 PM CST
This a GREAT photo, Jolana. It's well grown and the photo shows its propensity for getting in places other than where it's planted. It has managed to start growing on the ground around it and in the white pot just above it and it appears to be growing in the small clay pot, though it may have been put there deliberately. My guess is that just got into the other places on its own. I have it growing on the ground around my container and just gave away some that was growing elsewhere where I had temporarily stored it for a couple of weeks. This is the plant to give all those people who say they can't grow anything because they always kill it. They can try Green Grin! . It grows from a leaf and by seeds. I try to clip the bloom heads relatively early in their life to try and avoid some of that, but I suspect some seeds have already beat me.
Donald
Name: Jolana
Mountain City, Tx (Zone 8b)
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Bee Lover The WITWIT Badge Region: Texas Garden Art Irises
Daylilies Butterflies Dragonflies Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Hibiscus
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froggardener
Jul 25, 2015 2:31 PM CST
Thanks !
It does make the rounds, where ever the pot has been the surrounding areas have it. The only intentional planting was in this Mexican strawberry pot . I don't mind, I love this little plant and so do the many, many friends and relatives I have shared it with, Smiling
Gardening is learning, learning, learning. That's the fun of them.
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Helen Mirren
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jul 25, 2015 2:49 PM CST
Ah! I think I see now. That's not another smaller pot, but part of the other one. I should try and get me a strawberry pot. I've never used one.
Donald

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