Plumeria forum: thanks for the help.how to find or create new colors?

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Name: david sevitt
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davidsevit
Jul 25, 2015 7:53 AM CST
my plumeria wich i transfered in may into its final container is really getting on well.
that means it has about 6 small leaves pushing there way upwards....
i saw about 3 more types in tel-aviv....and might try to take some cuttings.
what is the limit of season?since it is a long process .....also it depends on the lengh of day(light)
does it have to be through cuttings orcan be done through seeds with the surprise elemant?
this new red one will be my white-yellow 5 years old"s friend .....does it help? maybe propogation?
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Jul 25, 2015 8:33 AM CST

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'New colors' are only created through seedlings, since Plumeria do not come true from seed. If you take a cutting it will be identical to the parent plant.

You should be ok to root cuttings through October at least; I am not sure what your temperatures are.
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drdawg
Jul 25, 2015 8:35 AM CST
David, cuttings will always produce exactly the same plant/flowers as the "mother" plant from which the cuttings were taken. Unless one has laboratory conditions when hybridizing, those plants grown from seed will always be "surprise" plants and flowers. They may be similar to the seed-pod parent but you just never know.

Plumeria are deciduous plants and even in the tropics will go through some dormancy. Because of our cold fall/winters here in Mississippi, all my plumeria have to come inside and will remain inside for 4-5 months, leafless and dry. They will be completely dormant. Perhaps in your climate, plumeria can stay outside year'round. I would not want mine to be subjected to temperatures below 40F, at least for extended periods. These are tropical plants and won't take heavy frosts or freezes.
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Name: david sevitt
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davidsevit
Jul 26, 2015 10:38 PM CST
Dutchlady1 said:'New colors' are only created through seedlings, since Plumeria do not come true from seed. If you take a cutting it will be identical to the parent plant.

You should be ok to root cuttings through October at least; I am not sure what your temperatures are.


i understand the seedling story....
are there seeds of plumeria to be sold?
can i dry my flowers?
Name: david sevitt
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davidsevit
Jul 26, 2015 10:41 PM CST
drdawg said:David, cuttings will always produce exactly the same plant/flowers as the "mother" plant from which the cuttings were taken. Unless one has laboratory conditions when hybridizing, those plants grown from seed will always be "surprise" plants and flowers. They may be similar to the seed-pod parent but you just never know.

Plumeria are deciduous plants and even in the tropics will go through some dormancy. Because of our cold fall/winters here in Mississippi, all my plumeria have to come inside and will remain inside for 4-5 months, leafless and dry. They will be completely dormant. Perhaps in your climate, plumeria can stay outside year'round. I would not want mine to be subjected to temperatures below 40F, at least for extended periods. These are tropical plants and won't take heavy frosts or freezes.


thanks for your reply....
now that i have two plumerias one-yellow-white the second red................does that mean there is polonation happening between them and i can dry the flowers and expect for new colors?
Name: Gigi
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GigiPlumeria
Jul 27, 2015 12:09 AM CST
davidsevit said:

i understand the seedling story....
are there seeds of plumeria to be sold?
can i dry my flowers?


I bought mine from Brad Buds and Bloom not sure if they sell overseas. Exotic plumeria is selling seeds now also.
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Name: Gigi
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GigiPlumeria
Jul 27, 2015 12:24 AM CST
davidsevit said:

thanks for your reply....
now that i have two plumerias one-yellow-white the second red................does that mean there is polonation happening between them and i can dry the flowers and expect for new colors?


In order for you to have new colors your plumeria needs to produce seedpods. I am not exactly sure how my plumerias are getting seedpods but I think I have a lot of beneficial insects that cross polinated them. The flowers alone do not have seeds on their own.

The seedpods will look like this:



Once you see a seedpod like this, you have to wait for it to ripen (8 mos to more than a year depending on the variety).

The seeds will look like this. Some would have less seeds. If you buy seeds. This is what the seeds will look like:



The seeds will not come true to the parent and so that's how you create new colors.
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Jul 27, 2015 3:59 AM CST

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The flowers can be dried (in silica gel) but the colors don't last very well in my experience.
Name: david sevitt
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davidsevit
Aug 1, 2015 4:21 AM CST
davidsevit said:

i understand the seedling story....
are there seeds of plumeria to be sold?
can i dry my flowers?


Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
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davidsevit
Aug 1, 2015 4:23 AM CST
GigiPlumeria said:

In order for you to have new colors your plumeria needs to produce seedpods. I am not exactly sure how my plumerias are getting seedpods but I think I have a lot of beneficial insects that cross polinated them. The flowers alone do not have seeds on their own.

The seedpods will look like this:



Once you see a seedpod like this, you have to wait for it to ripen (8 mos to more than a year depending on the variety).
thanks alot
The seeds will look like this. Some would have less seeds. If you buy seeds. This is what the seeds will look like:



The seeds will not come true to the parent and so that's how you create new colors.


Name: david sevitt
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davidsevit
Aug 1, 2015 4:24 AM CST
Dutchlady1 said:The flowers can be dried (in silica gel) but the colors don't last very well in my experience.


thank you for your reply

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