Plant ID forum: Something in the Bean family, I'm guessing

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Name: Melanie Long
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Name: Frank Richards
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frankrichards16
Sep 10, 2015 8:32 PM CST
looks like soy beans.
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mellielong
Sep 10, 2015 8:37 PM CST
Frank, that was literally the last thing on my mind. Would it help if I broke open a seed pod and took a picture of the seeds?
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frankrichards16
Sep 11, 2015 4:29 AM CST
Melanie, Sure. Or, cook in salted boiling water until tender, add some garlic and pepper... edamame!
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Sep 11, 2015 7:16 AM CST
It reminds me of Desmodium of some sort. There are a few found in Florida. One I see around here is Creeping Tick Trefoil (Desmodium triflorum)
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Sep 11, 2015 7:19 AM CST
Should have added more links.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/AG/AG24900.pdf

A few different species shown to be found in Fla here: http://florida.plantatlas.usf.edu/Genus.aspx?id=416
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JRsbugs
Sep 11, 2015 8:09 AM CST
The leaves don't match either soy beans or Desmodium, there is no long stalk attached to the leaflets.

Crotalaria pallida is possible.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crotalaria+pallida&biw=144...

http://www.southeasternflora.com/view_flora.asp?plantid=1132

Does it have hairs on the seed pods when young? The small point on the leaf tip is present.

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JRsbugs
Sep 11, 2015 8:31 AM CST
Fruit

Pods cylindrical, about 30-45 x 8-9 mm, grooved on one side, clothed in erect hairs


http://keys.trin.org.au/key-server/data/0e0f0504-0103-430d-8...
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Sep 11, 2015 8:44 AM CST
Janet, you are so good! There are a few Crotalaria also found here in Florida:

Crotalaria alata
Crotalaria avonensis
Crotalaria incana
Crotalaria juncea
Crotalaria lanceolata
Crotalaria rotundifolia
Crotalaria spectabilis
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JRsbugs
Sep 11, 2015 9:20 AM CST
There's more species of Crotolaria in Florida Lin, including C. pallida.

http://luirig.altervista.org/flora/taxa/north-america.php?st...

The key for C. pallida gives more details which can be checked.

http://keys.trin.org.au/key-server/data/0e0f0504-0103-430d-8...

Crotalaria incana looks possible..

http://herbaria.plants.ox.ac.uk/vfh/image/index.php?item=603

http://herbaria.plants.ox.ac.uk/vfh/image/index.php?item=602...
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Sep 11, 2015 9:35 AM CST
Yes, there are lots of Crotalaria found in the state, many consider them weeds. I used to have one type growing in the yard years ago at our old house but never had the species identified. It A couple of years ago I found the prostrate Crotalaria rotundifolia growing along the waters edge behind our current home.

C. pallida var. obovata is found in Melanie's area: http://florida.plantatlas.usf.edu/Plant.aspx?id=1425
as is C. incana: http://florida.plantatlas.usf.edu/Plant.aspx?id=1539
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Sep 11, 2015 1:14 PM CST
Okay guys, I just got back from the movies so I'm going to have to process all this. You guys do such great work! I'm planning another expedition out there tomorrow so I'll look at the links and if I feel I need more info or pictures, I can take them then. Today, I need one day in the air conditioning.
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flaflwrgrl
Sep 12, 2015 6:26 PM CST
Melanie, feel the leaves on it. Are they hairy? Upper or lower surface or both? Stiff hairy or soft hairy?
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Sep 12, 2015 6:32 PM CST
Got rained out today. Will feel up plants, tomorrow!
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Sep 13, 2015 3:07 PM CST
Okay, leaves are very smooth. Not hairy on either side. Here are a lot more pictures!

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JRsbugs
Sep 13, 2015 3:21 PM CST
A key for Crotalaria for you to ponder over. Hilarious!

http://www.tropicalgrasslands.asn.au/Legumes%20of%20Qld/Cont...

Remember, keys should be followed step by step. Skipping a step doesn't work as each step is intended to eliminate other species regardless of whether other species may have the same traits later in the key.
Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Sep 13, 2015 3:31 PM CST
I don't understand all those big, scientific words.
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JRsbugs
Sep 13, 2015 4:21 PM CST
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