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Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Sep 30, 2015 6:51 PM CST
I just opened a seedpod that contained a seed that was already sprouting! Has anyone else had this happen? I wasn't prepared to start germinating my seeds yet, but this one is forcing my hand, LoL!

I suppose I should have harvested the seeds from this one sooner. *Blush*

Name: Ashton & Terry
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kidfishing
Sep 30, 2015 7:12 PM CST
I had that happen with a few of Natures Wings of Morning seeds.
I just put them in a cup and they grew.
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Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Sep 30, 2015 7:19 PM CST
Ashton/Terry - you just made me look up Nature's Wings of Morning because it had such a cool name! Hilarious!

Good to know about the cup. I threw my little seed in a bag with a moist paper towel. Good idea or bad idea? (It's only been in there about ten to fifteen minutes.)

By the way, here is a picture of the little bugger:
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Name: Debra
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lovemyhouse
Sep 30, 2015 7:44 PM CST
Make the little bugger happy--put it in a cup o' dirt. Smiling
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Sep 30, 2015 7:50 PM CST
With all the rain I've gotten here this year, I have opened a couple of seed pods and found seeds sprouting. Unfortunately, I laid them down and forgot about them until it was too late. Sad
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Sep 30, 2015 8:30 PM CST
lovemyhouse said:Make the little bugger happy--put it in a cup o' dirt. Smiling


Hilarious! Good point. I'm too busy with seedpod record-keeping tonight, though, to get my hands dirty; but I plan to plant the little guy this weekend when I'm not as swamped. Hopefully, he'll survive on just a bit of water until then. Big Grin
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cybersix
Oct 1, 2015 2:14 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Elena
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bxncbx
Oct 1, 2015 5:53 PM CST
I've had at least six different crosses do this to me. We are in a moderate drought so it couldn't have been because of the rain. Right now I have 4 seedlings growing under lights & 2 more seeds potted up. I'm kinda hoping they don't grow because none of these seeds are ones I was planning on planting! Grumbling I have very limited space for seedlings, so now I can't plant as many of my favorite crosses. Oh well, maybe they'll really surprise me because some are from bee pods.
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Oct 1, 2015 6:09 PM CST
Elena - I hate feeling guilty about not giving a seed a chance. I always think it might be THE ONE that I will be happy enough with to register and name. My plan is to toss seeds into the cleared area next to my property and let nature and the seeds do their thing. If they sprout and survive to bloom, then I can decide which ones to rescue/transplant to my yard. And if they aren't anything that I care about, they are given a chance to sprout and grow and help control the erosion in that area which is also affecting my yard. I imagine most won't germinate, but those that will may serve a good purpose.
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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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petruske
Oct 3, 2015 6:23 PM CST
I had a seed this year that had a little root coming out when I picked the pod. I just put it into the frig (after drying for two days) with the rest of them. I'm not ready to plant them yet, so the little guy, hopefully, will change his mind and wait. If not...oh well, it wasn't meant to be. I suppose I could have thrown it in with a house plant to see if it would grow. I should have thought of that before Rolling my eyes.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Oct 3, 2015 6:47 PM CST
Sue,

I came across a second eager beaver seed today (out of Jungle Beauty and Beautiful Edgings, I think) and I put it in a plastic bag with a wet paper towel for now.

Then, I got to wondering if there was any sort of genetic component to seedpod-sprouting seeds. If there is, then, by my allowing this seed to survive, am I propagating an unwanted trait? Hmm... Maybe I shouldn't baby the seed with a wet paper towel. Who's to say? Maybe it's somewhat related to genetics that shouldn't survive naturally, but will now that they've been coddled and supported. Confused Blinking

Then again, maybe it's all just related to the crazy weather. Big Grin
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Oct 3, 2015 7:01 PM CST
I think it is the crazy rainy weather here and my lack of getting outside fast enough to collect the seed pods when they were ripe. (I think that is a trait by a lazy gardener which is ME .... Whistling Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing )
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Oct 4, 2015 11:26 AM CST
Precocious sprouting is common in Clivia, Crinum, and most of the fleshy-seeded amaryllids, e.g. Amaryllis, Brunsvigia and Strumaria. Even though Hemerocallis seed are not plump and fleshy, they mature with a good bit of moisture in them, so it isn't that surprising that they sprout in the pods every once in a while.

Rain, heavy dew and high humidity are probably all factors. Late in the fall, I find quite a few sprouts in unharvested pods that have been rained on, during long stretches of cool, damp weather when the garden is getting more shade. I've seen tiny roots hanging down out of the pods a half-inch. I think this might be a different phenomenon than a seed which begins to grow in an unopened pod.

There is no rain or dew all summer long here, and I still find the occasional seed sprouting in fresh pods. My guess would be that these are seeds which somehow developed without a sprouting inhibitor. This could be one of those random "mutations" which occurs as a survival and adaptative mechanism—if all seeds sprouted on the same strict schedule, a slight change in weather or climate could eradicate a species.

The last two sprouters I found were from a green, thick-walled, freshly split pod on Spartan Warrior. The pollen parent was Damien Charman. I planted them about 3 weeks ago—one is about 1.25 inches tall, the other has just the tip of a leaf showing from the bend of the hypocotyl, and appears to be "confused", as if it really would have appreciated some stratification. I'll keep track of them, to see what kind of growth habit they have.

There were a couple of other pod-sprouters this season, but they didn't survive. Unfortunately, they came at a time when the weather was warm and dry, and I was too busy to give them the attention they needed.

Ken
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Oct 4, 2015 11:32 AM CST
Ken - what great information! If you track the growth of those "confused" seeds/seedlings, please be sure to post back here! I'd love to know if their early sprouting was advantageous overall, or if it only gave them an early start but somehow an overall disadvantage.

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