Irises forum: *Self* Iris classification ??

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Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Nov 8, 2015 9:42 AM CST
I'm confused how this Iris is considered a *self* ?



Was searching database for a red TB self Iris with gold beard and came up with this. ??
Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Nov 8, 2015 9:57 AM CST
Also, is there any good site/page that provides good clear descriptions of the Iris flowers patterns terms? Thanks.
Name: Arlyn
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crowrita1
Nov 8, 2015 10:19 AM CST
http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/InfoColorClasses
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Nov 8, 2015 10:59 AM CST

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The pictures don't match the registry description. My guess is the pictures are wrong. It wouldn't be the first time an iris was being circulated around under the wrong name. Shrug!

As for flower patterns, at least how they are interpreted in the database here, this might be helpful:

http://garden.org/ideas/view/KentPfeiffer/2299/Iris-Flower-P...

Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Nov 8, 2015 11:14 AM CST
Thank You! both @crowrita1 and @KentPfeiffer for the links. The Wiki doesn't list Emma Cook pattern and I was always wondering what that was. I thought I understood *self*, but that one above threw me.
Name: Leslie
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Lestv
Nov 8, 2015 11:41 AM CST
That is certainly not a self, so it is no surprise that it caused confusion.
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Nov 8, 2015 11:59 AM CST

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A couple of other things to keep in mind.

Searching for Red isn't going to yield very many results, at least in the bearded classes. Honestly, it probably returns more results than it should. There are a few bearded irises that are nearly red, but most are closer to being wine or burgundy colored and they are generally listed in the database under Wine. Some beardless iris, especially the Louisianas, are red. Or, at least closer to red than wine.

Also, the Flower Patterns field is most useful with Tall Bearded Iris. The further you get from TBs, the messier the whole subject gets. Even within the TBs, there is plenty of room for interpretation.

Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Nov 8, 2015 12:19 PM CST
Thank you Kent, I hadn't considered that to remember to check wine or burgundy with respect to what I saw as a red Iris, when in actuality, it probably is burgundy. And thanks for the last paragraph info.
Name: Lucy
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irisarian
Nov 8, 2015 10:02 PM CST
'self' is certainly an iris of all one color. Emma Cook comes from amoena breeding but also has an extra layer of cells on the falls leaving a band of color at the edge. Try to find 'Queen's Circle' for a good photo. EC was named after one of the first iris of that pattern.

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