Adeniums forum: Will an adenium cutting develop a caudex?

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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Dec 5, 2015 12:25 PM CST
The answer: No. I know this to be true from personal experience.

Years ago someone gave me a 15 year-old A. obesum grown from a cutting. Last year I nearly killed it by over-watering. When I un-potted it I found huge succulent roots that had rotted; at that time I mistakenly thought it was the caudex. Here he is now going on 32 years old. As you can see he does not have a fat caudex, but he does have a nice thick trunk.



"If you're like me and you're growing this succulent plant because of the 'fat trunk' (caudex) you should know that a plant produced from a cutting will not grow the caudex that attracted you to these plants. If you want an Adenium with a fat trunk you have to grow one from seed, cuttings will still develop into nice plants but the trunk of the plant will not be all that interesting. You should also be aware that many of the Adeniums you'll find that don't have a large caudex are grafts. A piece of a Desert Rose that produces great flowers is grafted onto the root stock of an Adenium that is common or is known to have strong roots. A cutting from the grafted piece will kind of defeat the purpose since you'll be growing the plant with the weaker root stock."
The above is from: http://mrbrownthumb.blogspot.com/2007/12/propagating-adenium...

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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Dec 5, 2015 6:24 PM CST
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Name: Tajuan
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Teejay
Dec 6, 2015 8:15 AM CST
That's a beautiful Adenium @Rainbow. I purchased a few adeniums this past spring and it has been very eventful caring for them. I am learning through my ups and down points with my A. Obesum. My current mishap has been burned leaves after spraying w/ a neem oil insecticide. I realize this happened because of the direct sunlight that it was getting after being sprayed. Still though it continues to thrive. The life force of them all are very strong. I can not wait to prune them in the spring awaiting the new growth!

Please pardon my babbling. I am new to ATP and so excited. After searching so many websites about my plants w/o answers, ATP has been a breath of fresh air! Thanks for you post.
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RCanada
Dec 6, 2015 10:44 AM CST
Tajuan,
Glad that you found this site. No babbling is too much or discouraged. We all are guilty of doing this and probably always will. As you can see, here it goes.

KD has some very remarkable adeniums and everyone here is willing to assist or learn from each other. Her tree is a good example of a cutting grown tree. This is what makes it so appealing that we share our experiences. At least it is to myself.

Yes, the spraying with most insecticides and then exposing them to sunlight, can do alot of damage to the leaves. Fortunately they recover. I spray in morning and leave in a shaded spot, then spray down with plain water after 1 or 2 hours. Then they are safe to go back into sunlight.

I am not familiar with any adeniums from root cuttings and have heard many state that they do not usually produce a great caudex.
On the other hand. Over time (years) the trunk will gain circumference, as any tree or plant would with becoming more aged.

With our Adeniums we are usually raising them over the years, exposing their "root system" a bit each time. The root system becomes larger and we raise it, now we have what was called a root system, is now the caudex. This could be confusing for someone first becoming familiar with adeniums or many caudiciforms.

Rick

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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Dec 6, 2015 1:33 PM CST
@Teejay

Welcome to ATP Tajuan! The folks here are very nice and It's like we're a family. "Babbling" is perfectly all right here as we all are excited about our own collections and want to share our experiences...be it succulents, daylilies, hostas, roses, orchids, native wildflowers, bees, butterflies, and so on. There are also pet threads and food threads. I enjoy dropping into the various forums to look at pictures, see what's happening there, learn new things, and to contribute when and where I can. And the folks are willing and glad to help others as needed.

I started growing adeniums from seeds last year and have learned a lot through my trials and tribulations. @RCanada mentioned lifting/raising the root system. I do this at each repot or up-pot...the succulent roots are like an extension of the caudex and adds to the beauty.
(Note: This does not work well with cuttings...there is an obvious unattractive line of scarring where the cutting was rooted.)

Here are some pictures of my earlier experiments.

Thumb of 2015-12-06/Rainbow/7ffcfe

Thumb of 2015-12-06/Rainbow/6b78b3

Thumb of 2015-12-06/Rainbow/215e97

Teejay said:The life force of them all are very strong. I can not wait to prune them in the spring awaiting the new growth!


I totally agree about their life force being strong. And they are so fun to grow!

Happy gardening!

KD
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lovemyhouse
Dec 6, 2015 3:29 PM CST
Welcome, Tajuan. Smiling I do not grow Adeniums, but I wanted to chime in that we are glad to see you here. Think you will find lots of helpful folks. Thumbs up
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Dec 10, 2015 8:19 PM CST
Welcome! Tajuan. We're happy to have you join our friendly family of bubbly folks sharing their experiences growing plants. You've come to the right place to share your excitement. Feel free to jump in.
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Schisma
Jun 29, 2016 5:40 AM CST
I do not know any plant with caudex able to rebuild a caudex after cutting.
I am pretty sure it don't work for Beaucarnea sp and I although read it is not possible for Adenium sp to.
But ! Very beautiful Adenium ! Hurray!
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Jun 29, 2016 8:03 AM CST
Thank you for your compliment, @Schisma! Smiling
Welcome! to NGA. Hurray!
I also have a Beaucarnea recurvata (Pony Tail Palm), and I agree that a cutting of this plant will not develop a caudex.
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Schisma
Jun 29, 2016 8:42 AM CST
I have several Beaucarnea recurvata, unfortunatelly they are constantly attacked by some white cochineal species...
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PlantMania
Jun 29, 2016 9:01 AM CST
Probably White Fly or Aphids http://garden.org/howtos/index.php?q=show&id=1315

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Schisma
Jun 30, 2016 1:47 AM CST
Difficult to see with that picture, but I know the name of it in French, you can have a look :
https://www.google.de/search?q=cochenille+farineuse&espv=2&b...

Thanks for the link Smiling It is write to treat it with Insecticidal spray: soap, horticultural oil, neem.
I use black soap + natural oil + alcohol.

I never eard about "neem", if I understand correctly, this is a tree oil wich make the plant disgusting for insects ?
Interresting ! :)
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crystalview
Jun 30, 2016 2:22 AM CST
some people don't like the smell of neem oil. Your black soap mix will work well too. You will need to rinse the tree off 2 or 3 times a couple days apart to get all the eggs.

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