Post a reply

Image
Jan 11, 2016 10:22 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
Region: Arizona Enjoys or suffers hot summers Cactus and Succulents Xeriscape Adeniums Hybridizer
Plant Identifier Plant and/or Seed Trader Cat Lover Dog Lover Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge)
I was wondering how one should handle variegated versions of plants in the database. I have come across a lot of pictures of variegated Agaves listed directly under the species name. I guess in principle this is fine, as it is basically the same species, but in the trade they are definitely considered as separate plants distinct from the non-variegated versions, and there are clear cases where the variegated version of the plant does not look a lot like its non variegated version.
My suggestion would be to create a separate database entry for the variegated versions of the plants and move the pictures with the variegated plants in them to those entries.

Any thoughts?
It is what it is!
Image
Jan 11, 2016 10:57 PM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier Garden Sages Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level
It would break the architectural rules of our database. We have an entry for each genus, each species, and each cultivar. I don't think we should have extra entries for any other categories.
Image
Jan 11, 2016 11:33 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
Region: Arizona Enjoys or suffers hot summers Cactus and Succulents Xeriscape Adeniums Hybridizer
Plant Identifier Plant and/or Seed Trader Cat Lover Dog Lover Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge)
I think you can argue that variegated plants are in a way cultivars, because their availability in the trade way exceeds their occurrence in nature, they are specifically selected for propagation/cultivation just like an exceptional specimen with a different growth habit or spectacular flower color or size will be chosen for propagation and tissue culture leading to a specific cultivar.
It is what it is!
Image
Jan 12, 2016 6:36 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Birds Butterflies Bee Lover Hummingbirder Container Gardener
Zuzu, If someone doesn't know the cultivar name, it should go in the parent plant entry, correct? Agaves (Agave)
~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


Avatar for Dutchlady1
Jan 12, 2016 7:21 PM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
Region: Florida Cat Lover Garden Sages Cactus and Succulents Tropicals Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle
I tend to agree with mcvansoest, that most variegated plants should be treated as different cultivars. Of course many of them will have names that are specific to that particular cultivar eg. Agave americana var. medio-picta 'Alba'.
Image
Jan 12, 2016 7:35 PM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier Garden Sages Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level
Yes, Lin, unidentified cultivars should be added to the generic entry, unless the species is known, in which case they can be added to the species. If they're hybrids, they should be added to the generic entry, of course.

I should amend my previous statement to say that we have an entry for each genus, each species, and each named cultivar. We do not have entries for unnamed cultivars or for unnamed hybrids.
You must first create a username and login before you can reply to this thread.
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by RootedInDirt and is called "Botanical Gardens"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.