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keri7706
Jan 12, 2016 4:14 PM CST
What type of soil I need sense I have clay dirt I'm in Missouri
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greene
Jan 12, 2016 4:26 PM CST
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What will you be planting?
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keri7706
Jan 12, 2016 4:45 PM CST
Broccoli carrots.cauliflower and yellow.potatoes
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jmorth
Jan 12, 2016 5:08 PM CST
A lot of compost.
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Nothing that's been done can ever be changed.
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greene
Jan 12, 2016 5:14 PM CST
Compost, fine bark, sand and manure. The broccoli and cauliflower may need lime added to the soil to prevent club root.
If you don't want to amend the entire yard you could construct some raised beds and concentrate soil improvement in only the beds.

Here are some articles/ideas regarding clay soil that have been written by our ATP members:
http://garden.org/ideas/view/Skiekitty/594/Help-for-Heavy-Cl...

http://garden.org/ideas/view/wildflowers/1282/Improve-Clay-S...

The thread "Amending clay soil" in Ask a Question forum

http://garden.org/ideas/view/dave/240/Planning-Designing-and...

Edited to add links and correct my error.
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William
Jan 12, 2016 7:11 PM CST
Welcome!
Both broccoli and cauliflower usually does very well on clay soil. While you of course should amend the soil for them as well, if you have to prioritize I'd put the most effort into the area you will be growing carrots and potatoes in. In particular it can be a bit problematic to grow good quality carrots on heavy clay soil.

Not sure if you have researched which cultivars you are going to grow or not, but as it has impact on how much you will need to improve the soil, I'd like to mention that there are both carrots (often a bit shorter and thicker) and potato cultivars better suited to clay than others.

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DavidLMO
Jan 12, 2016 11:40 PM CST
@keri7706 - where are you from? I am in St. Joseph. A lot of the veggies don't mind Missouri clay - to an extent. Do you have Gumbo?

You might want to try raised beds and add manure, compost and pine bard fines if needed. You can get a soil test done cheap at Extension office.

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keri7706
Jan 13, 2016 9:15 AM CST
David I'm in Raytown Missouri do u live in Missouri do u know where I can get compost at who can bring it to me and to make a raised bed
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 11:27 AM CST
You can call your local University of Missouri Extension office. They likely have a lot of info specific for your local area. Aside from Soil Tests (inexpensive), they have lots of info. They also could lead you in the right direction. Most locations have a resident Horticulturist. Once you have the right Extension office, you might ask about the local Master Gardener group. They often provide a lot of info, offer classes, have Q & A phone banks, etc.

Bringing compost is gonna be pricey. Do you really need a truckload? nodding

http://extension.missouri.edu/directory/places.aspx?ID=988

Good luck.
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RickCorey
Jan 13, 2016 4:59 PM CST
Jackson County Office:
http://extension.missouri.edu/jackson

Master Gardeners of Greater Kansas City:
http://extension.missouri.edu/jackson/MG.aspx

If you're not afraid of biosolids (digested sewage sludge, tested for microbes and heavy metals), try Googling local sewage treatment plants, or city departments related to solid waste treatment. Often you can take away as many biosolids for free as you can shovel into your truck.

Or they give away all the biosolids to a company that has the municipal composting contract, that takes wood chippings and yard waste and sawdust paper and biosolids and compost them. Some cities give that garden-ready compost away.

Some (like Cedar Grove) get their raw materials for free, and then sell the product in bags or by the cubic yard. I look for "dirt yards" and always remember to ask what the delivery fees are. You might look up the distance from the dirt yard to your yard, so when they tell you the delivery fee, you can faint and THEN say "but it's only XYZ miles!"

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greene
Jan 13, 2016 5:07 PM CST
Most gardeners make their own compost but if you are just starting out you can buy it in bags at places like Home Depot, Lowe's or some of the other garden centers. Each bag is not too heavy so you can bring them home in your vehicle.

Making a raised bed is easy. The simplest is to lay down some landscape fabric or several layers of newspaper or a layer of cardboard (this prevents existing weeds from growing up into the bed), then pile the new soil on top.

Some folks use large stones, tiles or concrete blocks to hold the soil in place. (Ask @RickCorey to show you his tile method. Works great and super easy!)

When I make raised beds I use lumber to keep the soil in place... mostly because I enjoy working with wood. If you have a cordless drill/screw driver it's not too difficult a job to accomplish.

These boxes were constructed using wood that someone discarded when they made over their deck. Since I don't know the history of the wood these boxes will only be used for flowers, not for edibles.
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This is a photo showing the landscape fabric and several raised beds waiting to be filled with new soil.
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This is one small raised bed. The glass is being used early in the Spring to raise the temperature of the soil. Some plants with a larger root system would require taller raised beds.
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Here is the same raised bed on June 2nd.
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Basic tools that are helpful to build raised bed boxes using lumber.
If you want to be lazy you can have the lumber cut to length at places like Lowe's or Home Depot and use a hammer and nails to put the boxes together.
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Corner detail of a planter box I made from scrap 2X4's and cedar fence panels.
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Edited because I forgot something...Regarding my image showing my tools:
I do NOT recommend the Ryobi. No, do not recommend it at all. It has very little power. I only use it for drilling holes in soft wood; can't drive screws with the weak little thing and the battery life is bad. Just because something is a pretty color (green) does not mean it will work sufficiently well to get the job done.)


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RickCorey
Jan 13, 2016 5:56 PM CST
I buy concrete "paving stones" from Home Depot. $1 to $1.25 last time I checked, less on sale.

The two sizes I use are:
12" x 12" x 1" (sturdy) and
8" x 16" x 3/4" (cheap if used the long way ($1 per 16"), tall if used upright ($1 per 8"))

So I can make beds with walls 8" high, 12" high (my usual) or 16" high (where a raised bed wall butts up against a below-grade trench/walkway). I've been thinking about how to get taller walls, like one row of bricks or cinder blocks under the pavers, but I have not been that ambitious yet.

If you only have annual plants in such beds, you can change the size and shape of a bad faster than you can move furniture around your living room!

P.S. All these beds can look a lot tidier if I wiggle the pavers into upright alignment, and I COULD mortar them into place. But then I couldn't widen a bed if a neighbor closed her eyes for five minutes!

P.P.S
Here's a link to more photos showing how to create drainage (and how NOT to create drainage!). I went crazy when dave supported multiple-photo-downloads:
http://garden.org/thread/view_post/170442/


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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 9:14 PM CST
Rick - I seriously doubt all that bio stuff is available where she lives. It may be, so perhaps she could check. We are talking Missouri here. I personally would not use that stuff for free.

BTW - the original poster wnts to plant vegetables - she listed: Broccoli carrots.cauliflower and yellow.potatoes.
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greene
Jan 13, 2016 9:19 PM CST
Missouri is not in outer space; yes, they have biosolids there just like any other place that has humans and excrement.
http://www.springfieldmo.gov/143/Basics
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pepper23
Jan 13, 2016 9:24 PM CST
@keri7706 I know a few people who live in your area so I will ask about what the soil is like over there. One person is my supervisor and he is a major gardener himself.

I highly recommend saving all your coffee grounds, tea bags, all veggie/fruit peelings and put them in one spot outside where you have full sun. Add grass clippings and shred your leaves in the fall and add to the heap. That will be eventual free compost. If you don't wait for your soil to be ideal start with a raised bed and fill with good garden soil and compost from the store. Keep an eye on sales because some of this stuff goes on sale cheap a few times a year.
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 9:27 PM CST
greene said:Missouri is not in outer space; yes, they have biosolids there just like any other place that has humans and excrement.
]http://www.springfieldmo.gov/143/Basics


Well aware - thanks. I live ~ 1 hour from the OP. Most recently have lived in Missouri for 17 years. My city does not have the bio stuff. Like I said earlier I don't know about her town.
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keri7706
Jan 13, 2016 9:43 PM CST
Pepper 23 can u message me UR cell to my email keri7706@gmail.com be a lot easier on me to possibly meet or talk on phone Thanks keri Angel
Name: Greene
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greene
Jan 13, 2016 9:45 PM CST
It might be best not to make assumptions or to discourage new gardeners or new ATP members.
We make suggestions and the original poster is able to research and select the best options available in their area. Each person can make their own decision whether using biosolids is something they would choose.

Your city does not have "that bio stuff" as you call it? Is that an assumption? Try checking with your county or with the Missouri Department of Natural Resources. They will be able to tell you the nearest available source for biosolids.

Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~~"Leaf of Faith"
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 10:03 PM CST
Fact. Don't reach on my posts. Good grief. The OP can make up their mind as well. Some of us do know some things about our local communities, the sewer systems and many other things. Some of us are involved in lots of activities that we don't post about.

Around here we are gonna spend about 3 billion $ on sewage stuff . Some of us do have actual knowledge. HAND
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keri7706
Jan 13, 2016 10:28 PM CST
Ok.David what knowledge hand do.u know to help me out and these activities how can u help me get involved

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