Daylilies forum: daylily database glitches

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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 6, 2016 7:38 AM CST
I've run across a couple of daylilies with odd entries in a field. I don't know where to ask to get those fields reviewed or corrected. When I go to the edit and propose a change, one doesn't change and there the other one already looks correct, but not on the displayed information. Doesn't look like a proposal will correct anything. Who and where would I ask? I've tried Plant Photos forum on one, but no one responded. If I propose an edit that doesn't look like a change, will anyone realize it's different? Can they tell which field I'm referencing if the information doesn't change in the edit form, but isn't the same on the finished entry in the database?
Donald
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Feb 6, 2016 8:17 AM CST
@ needrain,
I think a proposal has to be approved then changed. Just wait a day or so and see it you get a notice saying your proposal was approved.
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 6, 2016 8:28 AM CST
Yes. But in this case I don't think they can see what is being proposed Smiling . It looks like extraneous info in the field. The form where proposals are made look correct. Unless they can compare somehow from the data form info to the finished product. It just looks like something didn't work quite right. Maybe this is a program quirk? It allowed new information in without getting rid of the old?
Donald
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 6, 2016 8:32 AM CST
@Seedfork
Look at the field for ploidy on Pray for Rain and the field for bud count on Betty's Pick. If you go down where you propose a data change, the info there is already correct. I haven't proposed a change because there isn't anything to change in the edit portion. Maybe just submit it without a change? The entries as they currently appear in the database are confusing.
Donald
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Feb 6, 2016 8:41 AM CST
My first impression is that maybe the plants were registered with the info, but it has been found that that info was not correct, so it shows both ways in the database for now. Once the AHS changes the info(if ever) then maybe there would just be the one set of info?
@Char, maybe she can look at that and enlighten us.
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 6, 2016 8:50 AM CST
The info in the AHS database is correct, I think. It doesn't match the ATP database.
Donald
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Feb 6, 2016 10:22 AM CST
Maybe post the question in the plant database forum?
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Feb 6, 2016 11:23 AM CST

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Ok., I just checked Pray for Rain and see where Dip and Tet are both listed for ploidy. When I click the edit data details I get the form for editing. In the ploidy box it shows Tetraploid. By clicking the little arrow on the right of Tetraploid, I get a choice including Diploid. I selected Diploid and went to the bottom of the form to click " Preview Your Proposal". In the preview it shows Ploidy now as Diploid.I can go either up or down to click submit the proposal. The proposal with then be reviewed by the database manager and you will be notified if it is accepted or declined.
I just did the same thing for Betty's Pick.

Edited to add: When I went back in to look at the data proposals through the link in the Plant Database I can see that the proposal looks the same as the original...is that what you meant Donald? If Sue declines the proposal you can contact her to explain why you made the proposal based on the information that appears in the database. I'm going to let the two proposals stand as they are for now to see what happens. If there are acorns tipped I will gladly forward them to you Smiling
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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 6, 2016 11:28 AM CST
Thanks Char. So when it's reviewed, they will see then entry as it appears in the database? The edit data already showed the corresponding info re the AHS entry, so I wasn't sure whether to submit the edit or not.
Donald
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Feb 6, 2016 11:31 AM CST

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I edited my post while you were replying....
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 6, 2016 11:35 AM CST
Char said:I edited my post while you were replying....

Thanks, but if you get acorns do keep them as your own. I'm definitely not an OCD fellow, but as a resource the database has a lot of value. That value is diminished when entries aren't as accurate and clear as possible.
Donald
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Gleni
Feb 18, 2016 3:50 AM CST
Did this all get resolved?
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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needrain
Feb 18, 2016 6:02 AM CST
Gleni said:Did this all get resolved?


Yes. The fields in the ATP database now correspond with the AHS registration info.
Donald
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Feb 18, 2016 7:50 AM CST

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While working on the Pray for Rain glitch I may have found another.
Lavender Tomorrow, the images in the ATP database from different growers are all consistent showing a mauve-pink with bluish purple eye and edge. When you click on the link to the AHS database it shows a totally different image. The AHS image has a cream yellow watermark and yellow edge. The Floyd Cove website and the catalog from intro year of 2005 both show Lavender Tomorrow as shown in the AHS database. It seems strange that none of the images in the ATP database match with the catalog, Floyd Cove or AHS database image.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Lavender Tomorrow')
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Feb 18, 2016 11:08 AM CST
Wow, they sure do not match alright.
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Name: Julie
Roanoke, VA (Zone 7a)
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floota
Feb 18, 2016 12:42 PM CST
The AHS DB has an incorrect image. I'll contact Pat S and Debbie Monbeck later to verify this. I got this from Pat when they were at Floyd Cove, and my images match what is on this site.
Name: Joe Hawkins
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spiderjoe
Feb 18, 2016 3:11 PM CST
'Lilyland's Fried Eggplant' is a DIP I said that back in November 2014. Nothing has changed yet Confused
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Feb 18, 2016 6:18 PM CST

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floota said:The AHS DB has an incorrect image. I'll contact Pat S and Debbie Monbeck later to verify this. I got this from Pat when they were at Floyd Cove, and my images match what is on this site.


The registered description "lavender bitone with gold silver edge above green throat" along with the catalog and website write up all seem to point to the AHS/catalog/Floyd Cove images being correct....What you are saying would make not only the AHS image, but the 2005 catalog and Floyd Cove website incorrect too? It just seems odd to me that Pat would not have described the eye and multiple edge when registering or in the catalog/website info. Confused
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Feb 18, 2016 6:31 PM CST

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spiderjoe said:'Lilyland's Fried Eggplant' is a DIP I said that back in November 2014. Nothing has changed yet Confused


Joe, I just submitted a data proposal to correct this.
When anyone notices something they think needs correcting in the database, scroll down on the plants page and you will see "Edit Data Details". Click it and it will take you to a form where you can make changes to the data for that plant. When you are done submit the change, the database moderator will review the proposal and let you know if it was approved or declined.
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Feb 18, 2016 7:42 PM CST
spiderjoe said:'Lilyland's Fried Eggplant' is a DIP I said that back in November 2014. Nothing has changed yet Confused


Sadly, there is no photo associated with it in the database either. Any chance you have one you could add? Such a fun name and no photo to go with it Big Grin .
Donald

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