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Name: Rick
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RCanada
Feb 15, 2016 8:35 AM CST
This thread is for all of us to input our trials and information on Grafting Adeniums. If we add our own trials, others and gathered information which will assist us all.

Will add photo's later.
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Name: Rick
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RCanada
Feb 15, 2016 9:58 PM CST
This is a graft that I did of A. Obesum rootstock + A. arabicum scion (Flat graft)
Thumb of 2016-02-16/RCanada/8d7b52


This is a graft of A. arabicum rootstock + A. swazicum scion (Cleft or "V" graft)
Thumb of 2016-02-16/RCanada/338cbc


This is a graft of A. Obesum rootstock + A. Obesum "Triple Twilight x 3 scions. This is one of my special blooms.
Thumb of 2016-02-16/RCanada/1619a1

Rick
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Feb 16, 2016 12:03 AM CST
Nice work, Rick! I might try grafting an A. obesum on a couple of Thai Soco.
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Feb 17, 2016 2:51 AM CST
Rick, I plan to try the method shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKajfgLnCU

I have the same kind of cellophane tape, but much wider so I will need to cut the strips in half.
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
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RCanada
Feb 17, 2016 8:40 AM CST
Yes, bud grafting. Seen this done here at home with other trees (Genus). Not tried it w Adeniums.
Definitely worth a try.
I do not like the appearance of "V" or Cleft grafts, although I have done to try my hand at it. The graft Union always is visible and does not seem to diminish over the years. I find that the Flat grafts seem to more so.
Seems that a Scion w half the caliper (diameter) of the Root stock becomes less noticeable as opposed to one close to same caliper size.

Look forward to seeing your trials.

I had cellophane tape quite wide and I tried cutting the whole roll in a narrow piece. Not! a good idea. It melted or stuck the cut edge of the roll together.
Rick
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Apr 13, 2016 10:04 AM CST
@RCanada
Rick, it has been nearly two months since the last posting on this thread and I'm still undecided on which A. obesum flower to graft unto one of my A. arabicum "Soodah."
Thumb of 2016-04-13/Rainbow/824c17

Should I choose a single-petal or multi-petal flower? What color? Please, when you get a chance, look over the flowers I have in "Our Adenium Blooms 2016" and tell me which ones you think might be good choices. Big Grin
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
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RCanada
Apr 13, 2016 9:01 PM CST
Kadie, Please, Please............. Crying Crying
Don't cut this tree. The one in this photo is absolutely beautiful and the character in this tree is just starting. I really believe that this tree will be a magnificent specimen one day.

Use or find a really nice bulbous based Obesum Root Stock with multiple branches and graft those.
I think that we need to graft onto a really good size Root Stock plant, then the scions grafted will balance out as they grow. I have one grafted tree and the root stock on it is nice, but the scion is of a much more aggressive or faster growing hybrid.
So many trees are grafted onto very weak looking or lack luster root stock. They never seem to be balanced.

As for what blooms to graft onto a tree. You have some very beautiful ones. I am in the same dilemma as yourself, trying to figure out which to use together.
I have some particular things that are important in my decision making.
1. Root stock already with definite size and shape.
2. If doing a multi graft, I want nice set of branching and all other small branches will be pruned off. Leaving only the branches to be grafted to.
3. I want all blooms to be of same type. (Single w Single, Dble/Triples w Dble/Triples)
4. Colors that compliment each other.
5. Performance and time of blooming. If I could choose two or three that bloomed at a close enough time to each other. This is not paramount, but a thought.

What I had done the last time I grafted. I used 3 scions from the same tree, because it is one of my favorites and I wanted to have another in case something was ever to happen to the mother plant. When I did the grafting, I left the cut branch, just a little bit longer than I usually do (1") so that if either of the grafts did not take that I could just slice off a 1/8 - 14" of the branch to try another graft union. I ended up doing this with one of the branches which did not take and the next one did take.

I am anxious to get some going.
My friend told me that it was very important that the Root Stock was in full growth when doing a graft. Scion tree also, but most importantly the root stock.

Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Apr 14, 2016 11:10 AM CST
Okay, Rick...I'll leave the arabicums alone, even though I have 9 of them. I couldn't help but Rolling on the floor laughing at your Crying plea!

Thank you for listing the important points to consider in grafting. I do have somalense seedlings that look very promising, as well as obesums.
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
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RCanada
Apr 14, 2016 6:29 PM CST
You know Kadie, if you have an Arabicum that is not of the same form of the one you posted. You could try it.
I grafted a Arabicum scion onto obesum rootstock. Would not do again. Obesum is much faster grower and the Arabicum is tiny in comparison.
Another was a Swazicum scion onto a Arabicum rootstock. Friends told me from Australia that the Swazicum will probably become long and possibly leggy and Arabicum slow. It is like this somewhat now, but young graft. Jury is out on this one.

On another note. I have some extra Swazicum and Multiflorum seeds that I am going to give away for the cost of postage, if you are inclined?

Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
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Rainbow
Apr 14, 2016 8:10 PM CST
Sounds good, Rick. I still have the envelop you sent the Soodah seeds in, so I have your address. But please verify zip code...is it V9P9B1 (?)
Name: Marica
Northern Ca mountains 4000' (Zone 7b)
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crystalview
Jul 6, 2016 9:48 PM CST
RCanada said:
Seems that a Scion w half the caliper (diameter) of the Root stock becomes less noticeable as opposed to one close to same caliper size.


Rick can I see a pic of your graft now? I was under the assumption that the grafts looked better the same size after healing. I guess I will have to re watch my grafting vids to see the size they use. I remember some used what I thought was too small of scion to the size of the root stock
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Schisma
Jul 7, 2016 8:23 AM CST
Very interesting subject ! Adenium are wonderfull plants !
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Aug 9, 2016 10:01 PM CST
I finally did it! My first grafting experience.
Here's the tree to get the scions:
Thumb of 2016-08-10/Rainbow/c84dd5

Thumb of 2016-08-10/Rainbow/4df7e1

Thumb of 2016-08-10/Rainbow/ca751e

Thumb of 2016-08-10/Rainbow/21ab13

Thumb of 2016-08-10/Rainbow/445a1e


Thumb of 2016-08-10/Rainbow/0a9f14I chose this seed-grown tree for the scions as the flower petal shape and size are about the same as my seed-grown white. The white scion I'll try on another branch on the same grafted tree at a later time.

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Name: Rick
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RCanada
Aug 9, 2016 10:24 PM CST
Nice choice of scion plant. Will compliment each other well.
Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Aug 9, 2016 10:27 PM CST
Rick, I need to wait 10 days before removing the cellophane, right?
Name: Marica
Northern Ca mountains 4000' (Zone 7b)
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crystalview
Aug 10, 2016 12:42 AM CST
Nice color. When you add the white it will blend well.
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
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RCanada
Aug 10, 2016 6:41 AM CST
Kadie, I remove at about 11 days. My friend in Australia says that a sure way to lose grafts is to put them out into the sun too early. Keep in filtered sunlight until new growth has commenced.

Nice part about having enough branch behind where you have grafted now, is that there is more branch to redo if needed.
I am sure they will take for you.
Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
Seed Starter Peonies Plumerias Dog Lover Hibiscus Region: Canadian
Tropicals Keeps Horses Cactus and Succulents Adeniums
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RCanada
Aug 13, 2016 1:22 PM CST
Update on a few graft of "Triple Twilight" scion. 3 of same on one rootstock.


Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/b1a4e4


Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/4c360b

These are a couple new grafts that have taken.

Grafted scion of "Purple Rain" onto Arabicum rootstock.


Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/1fbe0e


Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/4d4c49

These 2 are grafts from "1000 Yr. Rose"
1 flat graft scion & 2 tip growths in one "V" Graft.



Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/bf4e87

Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/ce746e


Thumb of 2016-08-13/RCanada/81a2cc

Rick

"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Aug 13, 2016 1:28 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Success!! Love them!
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Aug 14, 2016 11:32 AM CST
I am going to try grafting on to two of my A. somalense root stock. They are 8 months old now and very actively growing.

On one rootstock I will flat-graft a scion from my "Dutch Lady" seed-grown tree.
Thumb of 2016-08-14/Rainbow/b12856

Thumb of 2016-08-14/Rainbow/d22ba8
Her leaf nodes are closely stacked so I'm hoping to get more than one branch grow from the scion.

On the second rootstock I will do a wedge-graft using an apex stem from "Dutch Lady."

@RCanada Rick,
For the wedge-graft, you trim off part of the leaves, right? And after joining and wrapping the union with cellophane you place and secure a plastic bag over the entire scion, right?





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