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Mar 10, 2016 11:07 PM CST
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I got a packet of seeds from Ebay labeled Lithop seeds. I planted them in a covered container in cactus soil after storing them a year in my fridge, and within 3 days they germinated! They seemed to do poorly covered and better with no cover, which makes me wonder if they are even a cacti or succulent as the seedlings need high moisture. The seeds are tiny, brown, with papery sides. And clue to i.d.?
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Mar 10, 2016 11:33 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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I don't know what lithop seeds look like but those don't look like lithop seedlings. Isn't Ebay a wonderful place?
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Mar 10, 2016 11:41 PM CST
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I thought Lithop seeds were very tiny
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Mar 11, 2016 8:14 AM CST
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Believe it or not, parsnip seeds look similar to the ones you have so it might be in the same family.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...
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Mar 11, 2016 11:11 AM CST
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JRsbugs said:Believe it or not, parsnip seeds look similar to the ones you have so it might be in the same family.

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They do look similar, but I looked and the size doesn't match. I used Macro setting for my photos, the seeds are really as big as 🍂 The bigger leaf. I asked on another site and someone mentioned they also look similar to Milkweed, but again size doesn't match so possibly in the family of plants related to milkweed, there are cacti looking succulent relatives one looks like a starfish flower!
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Mar 11, 2016 11:28 AM CST
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This old posting here in ATP from Pia-Louise, she was also growing lithops from seeds before and the new growth easily resembled what lithops looked like:
http://garden.org/thread/view_...

So it will be fun to see later on Keith what you really have there! Good luck!
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Mar 11, 2016 11:50 AM CST
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We don't know how big the bigger leaf is.

I can see the likeness to milkweed seeds.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

When seeds have been soaked and swollen they will look a little different.

You said "The seeds are tiny, brown, with papery sides". How tiny is tiny? Can you give a measurement in millimetres?

A photo of a whole seed not covered at all by compost might help, but it's going to be easier when we can see the true leaves. Do you have any of the dry seeds?
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Mar 11, 2016 11:56 AM CST
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I'd be curious to know which Ebay seller you bought these from. Do you remember who it was? Were they in the USA?
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Mar 11, 2016 12:15 PM CST
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I can't help with the ID (it's basically impossible to ID anything from seed leaves in my experience) but cacti and succulents enjoy consistently high moisture when they are that age, so that feature is not going to help. I leave some cacti which make tiny seeds covered with plastic for months before they are ready for fluctuations in humidity in the "real world".
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Mar 11, 2016 2:00 PM CST
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JRsbugs said:We don't know how big the bigger leaf is.

I can see the likeness to milkweed seeds.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

When seeds have been soaked and swollen they will look a little different.

You said "The seeds are tiny, brown, with papery sides". How tiny is tiny? Can you give a measurement in millimetres?

A photo of a whole seed not covered at all by compost might help, but it's going to be easier when we can see the true leaves. Do you have any of the dry seeds?


The seeds were the size of this leaf emoticon the larger of the two 🍂
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Mar 11, 2016 2:01 PM CST
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greene said:I'd be curious to know which Ebay seller you bought these from. Do you remember who it was? Were they in the USA?


I don't remember but from Thailand.
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Mar 11, 2016 2:02 PM CST
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Baja_Costero said:I can't help with the ID (it's basically impossible to ID anything from seed leaves in my experience) but cacti and succulents enjoy consistently high moisture when they are that age, so that feature is not going to help. I leave some cacti which make tiny seeds covered with plastic for months before they are ready for fluctuations in humidity in the "real world".


True, if they aren't cacti too much humidity kills. So far they seem not to be cacti and for a fact not Lithops.
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Mar 28, 2016 10:50 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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Here is first set true leaves.
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Mar 28, 2016 11:27 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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I think it's safe to rule out lithops.
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Mar 29, 2016 10:41 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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There is one odd seedling, not like the rest it is short and roundish heart shaped leaves that are hairy. This sprouted from a tiny, round brown seed slightly smaller than a Poppy seed, think it might be an African Violet?
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Mar 30, 2016 2:53 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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Anyone have a guess?
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Mar 30, 2016 2:59 PM CST
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Radish? (You asked for guesses...)
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Mar 30, 2016 4:04 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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porkpal said:Radish? (You asked for guesses...)


Good guess but not it.
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Apr 2, 2016 10:01 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Hollyhocks. The seeds look like Hollyhock seeds. (I don't think the plants do though)

Another photo?

Daisy
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Apr 2, 2016 9:37 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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DaisyI said:Hollyhocks. The seeds look like Hollyhock seeds. (I don't think the plants do though)

Another photo?

Daisy


They look the same as old photos just slightly taller.

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