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Name: Patty
Washington State (Zone 8b)
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Patty
Apr 4, 2016 9:49 PM CST
According to Herr Horst's site there is a Novak and a Novak ll - Our database has only Novak and it looks like the photos there are actually Novak ll (hopefully! No more NOID's please!) Mine, which I got from SMG, is doing interesting stripey things.

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 5, 2016 12:20 AM CST

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Patty, it does look like we have two different Novak types in our database entry.
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Apr 5, 2016 2:10 AM CST

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I got mine from SMG in 2013 and it is definitely NOT the same plant.

And I'm getting tired of buying named plants that turn out to be NOIDS too.
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Name: Michael
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parttimegardener
Apr 5, 2016 10:21 AM CST
Chris,

I hope you did not have to pay extra for the name?
I'd actually not care if I was in your place - it is still a beautiful and prolific semp.
I guess you would have bought it if you didn't know the name?!
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Apr 5, 2016 1:20 PM CST

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No Michael, didn't pay any extra! Rolling on the floor laughing But not sure if I would have bought it anyway....
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Name: Michael
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parttimegardener
Apr 5, 2016 1:21 PM CST
I would have!
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Apr 5, 2016 3:34 PM CST
Chris I do think yours and Patty's look the same just different times of year? Or is your photo current??
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Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Apr 5, 2016 4:10 PM CST

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My picture was from last June.
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gg5
Apr 5, 2016 6:16 PM CST
Given that you both got your clones from the same source, I think it is likely the same cultivar (my humble opinion) Thumbs up
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Name: Patty
Washington State (Zone 8b)
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Apr 5, 2016 6:25 PM CST
But look at Novak on Horst site - not these I think. They might be Novak ll Shrug!
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 5, 2016 7:05 PM CST
Patty your 3rd photo in the database does look like the one on Sempervivumliste
Lynn - or Patty, I am unable to locate the database entry for Novak II either here or on sempervivum liste. How do I search for it??
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 5, 2016 9:27 PM CST

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Sempervivum-Liste doesn't have 'Novak ll' listed. And we don't have 'Novak ll' in the ATP database.
One of the problems is that we can't find any photos of this one during the months of March & April. I hate to make a decision just yet. I sent a message to Trixi (Zaubergarten) to see if she will take a new photo of hers so we have something to compare to.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 5, 2016 9:34 PM CST
Now I'm curious, where did they both come from? I saw the one says hybridized by Andre Smits in 1996 but what about the other one?
I like trying to figure all of this out, I've always liked problem solving!
Thanks again Lynn for all you do! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 5, 2016 9:38 PM CST

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Greg it is Horst's site that shows both. http://www.semperhorst.de/Diehmor%20N/Diehmor%20N.htm
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Apr 5, 2016 9:54 PM CST
Oh yes that is what Patty said I just got it mixed with semplist...Thanks Lynn and yes personal opinion is that SMG must have the Novak II looks just like the pictures showing...what a pretty plant!! Thumbs up
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Name: Julia
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springcolor
Apr 5, 2016 10:03 PM CST
Did you look at the pictures of just Novak. They are all so different.
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Name: Patty
Washington State (Zone 8b)
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Apr 5, 2016 11:46 PM CST
Yes, they do. The top right photo is from Fernwood. I'll see if they have more.
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