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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Apr 5, 2016 8:12 AM CST
Hello. So happy to join in this place.

I love gloriosa. I have seen them in a japan cut flower site in white and in pink colors. Anybody know where i can get the seed of that color ?
Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Apr 5, 2016 10:39 AM CST
Welcome to ATP! Welcome!

When you say Gloriosa, are you talking about Gloriosa Daisy - Rudbeckia hirta? Or Gloriosa Lily - Gloriosa superba?

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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Apr 5, 2016 10:55 AM CST
Hi Daisy. I mean Gloriosa superba. I already have red, brown red, and peach red variety. Just want to expand my collection with pink and white ones Smiling
Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Apr 5, 2016 3:49 PM CST
Thank you.

The pink one is Gloriosa superba 'Rothschildiana'. Here is a list of vendors to contact:

http://davesgarden.com/products/ps/go/607/

I have never seen a white one. The only reference is to a postage stamp from India.

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plantladylin
Apr 5, 2016 4:30 PM CST
I have a Gloriosa Lily (Gloriosa superba 'Rothschildiana') but mine is the reddish and yellow color. I see a few photos in the database though that do look more pink!
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Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Apr 5, 2016 4:51 PM CST
I noticed the same thing; the color is very inconsistent.

Xiao Long, I think one of your questions when you contact vendors should be 'how pink is it?'

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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Apr 5, 2016 7:48 PM CST
Dear Daisy and Plantladylin ☺. I will check the vendor from davesgarden.

My roschildiana also produce red and yellow. Agree with you both about the color confuse. Two years ago I bought gloriosa tuber while vacation in japan. The picture on the packet show nice peachy pink flower. But when it come to flower the colors rather peachy red. But it still ok to me since I dont have that color yet. And now I have some seedling from it. Wish some of them will produce pinker flower.
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jmorth
Apr 6, 2016 12:50 AM CST
There's also some all yellow ones and one with purple/yellow. I've never seen, or heard of a white either.

Gloriosa Lily (Gloriosa superba 'Greenii')
Gloriosa Lily (Gloriosa 'Lutea')
Gloriosa Lily (Gloriosa superba 'Carsonii')

I grow mine in pots that are overwintered dry in the basement.

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Name: Feng Xiao Long
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XiaoLong
Apr 6, 2016 11:34 AM CST
Hi jmorth. The green and yellow are beautifull 😀About 4 years ago I have order G roschildiana, lutea and greenii from an old lady who own an online seed shop. The roschildana come true to red and yellow. But the greenii and lutea (only one seedling grow from each color), produce the same color which brown red (resemble to carsonii). Maybe the lady have miss labelling. But its ok to me. That brown red flowers look beautifull too.

Here is the flower i am talking about.


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jmorth
Apr 6, 2016 12:30 PM CST
@XiaoLong
That's a fine specimen Xiao.
I started with a couple of small 'Rothschildias' tubers purchased at MOBOT (Missouri Botanical Garden), St Louis well over a decade ago. 90% plus all grown in large pots/containers. As a general rule of thumb the tubers proliferated at a 2 to 1 ratio; example - 10 tubers into a 16" pot would yield 20 fine flowering size tubers (w/ 2 to 5 flowering tips each) for the next year. When the total yield surpassed 400 tubers I had to reduce my expansion efforts. Last year saw only a few large pots used instead of fifteen or so.
Over the years I added some greenii (5) and last year tried the carsonii (5).
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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Apr 6, 2016 8:23 PM CST
@jmorth

Woww.. 400 tubers are a big lot. Enough to make good green fence around my home 😁. When you use large pots, do you refresh or change the soil each year ? Mine also in large pot (60cm). I never change the medium yet, only add new compost mix at the surface. I dont know how many tubers inside the pot.

Here in tropical climate gloriosa grow at different time. Some plants in flower now, some just start to sent their shoot, and some still dormant. Dont know the correct time to dig them. Should I make them all dry so they can go domant at the same time and let me dig them and refresh the soil ?

And how about your carsonii ? Is it looks brownish like mine or more purple ?
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jmorth
Apr 6, 2016 11:07 PM CST
Xiao, I try to re-pot the large containers in the spring. Seems your idea of drying them all out to induce dormancy and then re-pot is a good idea. Sometimes in past years I may not of had time to re-pot all the pots; when that happened the not changed pots didn't yield as many viable tubers as the pots that were re-potted, but both put on a good show.
There's a comment at the bottom of the page in this link -
Gloriosa Lily (Gloriosa superba 'Rothschildiana')
about re-potting gloriosas.
They're likely to be all tangled up in the soil and are very brittle, so be careful not to break any when you un-tangle them. Here's an example of the tangled -
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and here's my carsonii -

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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Apr 7, 2016 8:49 AM CST
Thanks jmorth for the link. Thats a good and usefull comment 👍 And many good photo there. The one with pale yellow and pink looks great. Not as pink as the one that i am looking for, but its beautifull.

About your carsonii ist a variation with stripe ? In a glance it looks like stripe on rembrandt tulips.

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jmorth
Apr 7, 2016 9:02 AM CST
I'll see if I can find some more pics; if I remember right there was a lot of variation in the carsonii I grew.
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jmorth
Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM CST
I believe that's carsonii on the left.
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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Apr 10, 2016 7:45 AM CST
@ jmorth. Yes. They look purplish or brownish red. Maybe they were carsonii.

Thank for the pics. Your gloriosa plants looks so neat and beautifull. They receive full sun all day ?
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jmorth
Apr 10, 2016 12:14 PM CST
Yes
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