Plant ID forum: Need help identifying a sapling

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Name: Tori
Dallas, GA (Zone 7b)
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GardenGoober
Apr 8, 2016 7:04 AM CST
I received several twigs from the Arbor Day Foundation last year and they are sprouting leaves this year. If you're familiar with them, for a small donation, they send you ten trees with "trunks" painted different colors to identify them. I have three that are painted white which means they are supposed to be Red Buds. Well, I may not know much about plants/trees/shrubs, but I do know ONE thing ... and that is what a Red Bud leaf looks like. nodding Out of the three "white" trees, only one is a Red Bud. The photos below show what the leaves on the other two look like. Does anyone recognize what type of tree or bush these will be? Confused

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Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Apr 8, 2016 10:09 AM CST
It looks like you got a couple little elm trees. I think I'd rather have the Redbuds.

I once got trees from Arbor Day but one grew up to be a Lilac.

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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 8, 2016 10:47 AM CST
Stems and leaves sure remind me of Ulmus (Elm) too. Not sure if it is one of these but I found two Elms listed at the Arbor Day Foundation Website: http://www.arborday.org/trees/treeguide/TreeList.cfm

Cedar elm (Ulmus crassifolia)
Chinese Elm (Ulmus parvifolia)

My neighbor has a huge Chinese Elm in his backyard and the seedlings are constantly popping up all over my yard and in my containers, it's considered an invasive in some areas: http://www.na.fs.fed.us/fhp/invasive_plants/weeds/chinese-el...

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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Apr 8, 2016 11:57 AM CST
Perhaps the young trees look different, but I have both Chinese and Cedar elms and their leaves are smaller and darker than those.

My first thought was birch...?
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 8, 2016 12:14 PM CST
@porkpal, you could be right. Those pale green leaves could very well be a variety of Birch rather than Elm! Leaves of young elms don't appear as pubescent/soft or as light in color as those in GardenGoobers photos.

The Arbor Day Foundation lists two Birch trees:
River Birch (Betula nigra)
Paper Birch (Betula papyrifera)

For comparison, here are leaf photos of River Birch, B. nigra:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=betula+nigra+leaves&view...
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=betula+nigra+young+tree+...
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Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Apr 8, 2016 2:18 PM CST
I agree. It may well be a birch. The other identifying give away is that elm leaves are lopsided. I read this post earlier but didn't have time to respond. After thinking about it, I suspect it is a River Birch.

If so... Hurray! They are awesome trees.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Apr 8, 2016 2:44 PM CST
I agree - River Birch.
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JRsbugs
Apr 8, 2016 4:33 PM CST
Unless River Birch leaves are a different shape when young, I doubt it is that.

http://www.uniprot.org/taxonomy/3508

http://classes.hortla.wsu.edu/hort231/List07/betulanigra.htm...

http://www.fcps.edu/islandcreekes/ecology/river_birch.htm

The closest I have found is Planera aquatica, I can't see any hairs on the leaves though. The leaves of the plant in question look to be quite hairy on the upper surface.

http://www.carolinanature.com/trees/plaq.html

Twig: Slender, slightly zigzag, initially hairy but becoming glabrous, reddish to gray-brown, lateral buds short, reddish brown, blunt tipped.


http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?...


Name: Tori
Dallas, GA (Zone 7b)
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GardenGoober
Apr 16, 2016 1:54 AM CST
Thanks everyone. A Lilac or Birch would have been much better as I have acres of Elms. Glare So much for my Redbuds and the Arbor Day Foundation. Reckon it's off to the nursery to buy me some Redbuds!! Rolling my eyes.

Thanks a bunch yall!! Greatly appreciate it.
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