Plant ID forum: A kind of thyme?

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Ankara, Turkey (Zone 7a)
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fahte
Jun 11, 2016 9:54 AM CST
Hi, I saw this today in the countryside near Ankara, Turkey. It looked like a pretty groundcover and was attracting bees, so I uprooted a bunch and planted in my garden. I don't know what it exactly is, though. Its leaves are faintly fragrant, so could be a thyme of some sort. I will be glad if anybody could identify it.


Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jun 11, 2016 11:00 AM CST
Perhaps Teucrium capitatum.
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Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
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XiaoLong
Jun 11, 2016 11:13 AM CST
I agree
It looks like T. capitatum.

It said that T. capitatum is synonim of T. polium

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teucrium_polium#
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Jun 11, 2016 11:48 AM CST
Close up shots of Teucrium polium (Iran)

http://nargil.ir/Plant.aspx?Name=Teucrium-polium&cid=7116

Better still! Search for Teucrium and you will get a list of species, or go to the linked page for Teucrium.

http://www.turkiyebitkileri.com/index.php?dil=tr&id=2&family...

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
Sacramento California (Zone 9b)
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HamiltonSquare
Jun 11, 2016 12:20 PM CST
We have no photos of T. polium and if it's determined it is one of these (http://garden.org/plants/search/text/?q=teucrium+polium&butt... would be a great photo for the Garden.org database. It does look like a Teucrium that I would like and would grow well here. Thanks for posting this for ID. I would love to see anything that is native to your region. I tip my hat to you.
Hamilton Square Garden, Historic City Cemetery, Sacramento California.
Ankara, Turkey (Zone 7a)
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fahte
Jun 11, 2016 5:12 PM CST
Thanks! After some research I am convinced that it is Teucrium polium. It seems that this plant is widely spread across Turkey and used in traditional herbalism.
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jun 11, 2016 8:09 PM CST
@HamiltonSquare

Leslieray I found a place selling this plant. (Seeds for the Teucrium, not the live plant)

http://www.rareplants.es/shop/product.asp?P_ID=12235



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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jun 11, 2016 9:19 PM CST
That place is in Spain Jean.

There's a few places in Europe selling seed but even that is a problem for the US. I found a site in the US selling seed, it says flowers are pink.

http://www.hardyplants.com/seeds/4PG9-A3.html

ebay .. a seller in Greece ..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teucrium-polium-1-PACK-OF-SEEDS-20-s...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Teucrium-polium-1-PACK-OF-SEEDS-20...
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jun 11, 2016 9:47 PM CST
Yes, I know that they are in Spain. Why is it a problem, other than it is out of country? They do ship to just about every country, US included.
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JRsbugs
Jun 12, 2016 7:00 AM CST
The US has very strict import laws on seeds, so I don't think it would be easy to bring in plants. The cost of importing even a single plant would require Phytosanitary certification from the supplier, I have bought Crinum from Thailand on ebay from a seller who includes the cost in the price which makes them quite expensive even for Thailand, government certification was on the packet and the 'in growth' Crinums were OK but had been dipped in something and were partly dried up, a cut back stem with no roots. Seeds are allowed from anywhere in the world here but not in the US. A plant would likely have to be sent bare root and certified disease free from a government department in Spain, then put into quarantine once it reached the US and checked after a certain length of time. The plant would be hugely expensive and probably dead.

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import...

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/clearing-cbp/bringing-agricultura...
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jun 12, 2016 9:35 AM CST
The US has a Small Seed Lot import permit through APHIS. The permit is free, lasts for 3 years and small lots of seed do not requite CITES. (Lots under 50 seeds.)

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import...

I did check this out before posting, as I am aware of the plant health import laws. This is the reason I searched out a company that sold the Teucrium seeds in lots of 25 or less, rather than the actual living plant. The link was posted because Leslieray mentioned an interest.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Jun 12, 2016 9:52 AM CST
I see the site in Spain is selling seeds, you mentioned 'plant'.

The process of getting a permit is still messy. Buying on ebay 'usually' gets around this.

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