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Jul 10, 2016 7:35 PM CST
Name: Rose
Oquawka, IL (Zone 5a)
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I think they're both from you Geof. AC Rosebud and Belred (I think). I posted the wrong picture of AC Rosebud. Meant to post the one that showed off the colors better.
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Jul 11, 2016 6:31 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
Dahlias Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
I thought that might be Belred Sunset - That one is not a tall plant. Mine is working on its 4th or 5th bloom now, and its still under 4 ft.
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Jul 11, 2016 7:12 AM CST
Name: Rose
Oquawka, IL (Zone 5a)
Echinacea Hibiscus Dahlias Clematis Charter ATP Member Region: Illinois
Garden Photography Heucheras Hummingbirder Hostas Garden Art Birds
Thanks! That's good to know. None of mine are very tall, but if they bloom I'll be happy!
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Jul 11, 2016 9:33 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
Dahlias Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
Took some more pics of blooms on this grey humid morning.

Baja


Clearview Debbie


Fancy Pants


Karen Kuhn
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Kite Runner


Mardi Gras


Windhaven Blush
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Jul 11, 2016 10:02 AM CST
Name: Alisa
Gresham, Oregon (Zone 8a)
Region: Oregon
Hi Don't know the names of the Dahlias here they are enjoy!
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Jul 11, 2016 11:46 AM CST
Name: Rose
Oquawka, IL (Zone 5a)
Echinacea Hibiscus Dahlias Clematis Charter ATP Member Region: Illinois
Garden Photography Heucheras Hummingbirder Hostas Garden Art Birds
A better picture taken today of AC Rosebud
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Jul 11, 2016 2:30 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
Dahlias Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
@purplebloomcactus There are literally thousands of dahlias out there. While there are some that are distinctive and easy to ID from a photo, most are not so easy. I couldn't put a name to either of those.
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Jul 11, 2016 6:21 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Love all the photos. You have some beauties, Geof.
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Jul 11, 2016 7:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
Dahlias Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
Thanks Arlene - I am kind of amazed at how we'll they are all doing this year.
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Jul 12, 2016 7:50 AM CST
Name: Rose
Oquawka, IL (Zone 5a)
Echinacea Hibiscus Dahlias Clematis Charter ATP Member Region: Illinois
Garden Photography Heucheras Hummingbirder Hostas Garden Art Birds
mandolls said:Thanks Arlene - I am kind of amazed at how we'll they are all doing this year.


And I'm kinda jealous! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 12, 2016 8:05 AM CST
Name: Dan
NE Ohio (Zone 6a)
Garden Photography Composter Dahlias Region: Ohio Region: Ukraine Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I'm very jealous! LOL
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Jul 12, 2016 10:37 AM CST
Lititz, PA (Zone 6b)
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Does no one else have Japanese Beetles eating their dahlias? Mine all look disgusting. I have been unable to snap photos of a few of them because the JBs don't even let them open all the way before eating them.
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Jul 12, 2016 10:50 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
Dahlias Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
I have japanese beetles, earwigs and slugs - there are quite a few blooms I have cut off before they were fully open just because they were so nasty looking. There is enough earwig poop on some that it is attracting flies! Most of the pics I have posted have at least some damage. Its been raining so often, that putting down sluggo +, seems like a waste of money, so I just go around squishing them when I see them. I am very tempted to break out the real poison, but I have held off so far.
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Jul 12, 2016 1:15 PM CST
Name: Dan
NE Ohio (Zone 6a)
Garden Photography Composter Dahlias Region: Ohio Region: Ukraine Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I have more problems this year than an entomologist or exterminator would know how to handle. Besides the trouble with the deer, rabbits, earwigs and brown beetles, this past weekend I found what I believe is a leafhopper and some white flies. I've also found my first half dozen or so JB's in the past couple days. Some of my plants look diseased. Could be a virus or something caused by the bugs. I took a bag of leaves showing different characteristics to the Ohio State county extension office yesterday. Some were yellow veined and others were crinkled or had black areas around the edges. The master gardener wasn't available. I hope to hear something by the end of the week. I sprayed some plants with Sevin last Saturday and bought a bottle of Bayer's insect and disease control. I'll hold off on any more spraying until I hear from the ext. office. With our temps in the 90's, spraying isn't recommended.

I had one big bud starting to open. I looked this morning and three JB's had wedged themselves inside and were eating away. I don't think I've had this much trouble combined in the 9 or 10 years I've grown dahlias.

Geof, I wouldn't hesitate to use anything if I thought it would help. With all the work and expense we've put into these plants since digging last fall, it's hard if not impossible for me to even think about idly standing by and seeing things destroyed without using every means at my disposal.

Some of the plants are looking a little better. Some have shiny, almost waxy, dark green leaves that beaded water when I hand watered this morning. I have foliar fed most plants with fish and seaweed fertilizer. I've read this can produce the shiny appearance. I hope those are actually as healthy as they look right now.
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Jul 12, 2016 1:45 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
Dahlias Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
psudan said: Some of my plants look diseased. Could be a virus or something caused by the bugs. I took a bag of leaves showing different characteristics to the Ohio State county extension office yesterday. Some were yellow veined and others were crinkled or had black areas around the edges.


From what I have read, many of the dahlia tubers in circulation have some virus or another. On many plants the virus isn't evident unless the plant is otherwise stressed. I have pulled and tossed several plants that were obviously virused - yellow veining, crinkly leaves and stunted growth are all signs of various virus. The yellow veining one is tricky, as that can also be caused by nutritional issues, but with all of the insects moving from plant to plant, we can be sure the viruses are spreading. There is a concern in the dahlia community about dealers not trying to clean up their stock and selling on tubers from virused plants. But it is not always easy to know when a plant is virused. If the plant isn't showing signs, it doesn't mean it doesn't have a virus, and tubers from that plant may exhibit signs the following year. I have several that I have grown for a few years that always have some yellow veining on the leaves, but otherwise grow normally. I no longer trade on or sell those tubers, but I haven't has the heart to just toss them when they are otherwise looking healthy and making good blooms.

Black wilty edges are from fungus - I have one dahlia that seem really susceptible to it (Juuls Allstar) and get some of it every year. this year I saw it on a number of plants during June when we had so much rain - my experience with that has been to just snip off the offending leaves, and usually it just disappears.
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Jul 12, 2016 2:25 PM CST
Name: Dan
NE Ohio (Zone 6a)
Garden Photography Composter Dahlias Region: Ohio Region: Ukraine Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Thanks for the info, Geof! I thought the black edges might be from fungus. Most of what little rain we've received has been on the warm, humid evenings or nights. I know that isn't the best time for it. I have trimmed some off and seen improvement. I've read articles in agreement with what you say about the yellow veining possibly being a nutritional issue. I guess that's why some of the suppliers I've read about wait until well into summer before deciding to rip out a plant. I've had a few of these in the past that have lived and bloomed normally. If it is a virus, I wonder if it can spread from plant to plant without help, i.e. insects or cutting tools?
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Jul 12, 2016 7:57 PM CST
Lititz, PA (Zone 6b)
Bee Lover Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers Lilies Hellebores Ferns
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Well sorry to hear you guys have a bunch of problems too. My only real problem is JBs, the poor dahlias only bloom to feed them. I have half a mind to just snip all the blooms but then they might go for the leaves if I do that. I'm making sure to keep them watered though. I'm going to try feeding them this year too. I haven't in years past. Does anyone have a recommendation for food? I'd like to do a water soluble feed if possible. My goal is to have them tip top mid August when the JB season is over.

Dan, do you spray Sevin even when bees are around? I try not to use that stuff around things that are blooming. I have used it twice though, once on an Amalanchier alnifolia (all berries were gone) and another time on a Persicaria amplexicaulis (prior to it blooming).
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Jul 12, 2016 9:50 PM CST
Name: Dan
NE Ohio (Zone 6a)
Garden Photography Composter Dahlias Region: Ohio Region: Ukraine Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I doubt I average spraying more than once a year and then I try to only spray late in the evening so the foliage is dry by morning. I don't use the Sevin dust. Even so, I haven't seen a honey bee around here in four or five years. Thought I saw one a couple years ago but wasn't sure. With no beekeepers in the area and all the development wiping out the natural hives, there just aren't any honey bees close. And we have precious few bumble bees. I've had pretty good success dusting the foliage and on the ground around the plant stem with Diatomaceous Earth for earwigs.

As far as the blooms, I can't get excited until the JB's are gone. I hate to even look at the dahlias when they're being chewed on. My first blooms are usually smaller and less impressive anyway. I more or less concede the early ones as a fact of life. If I sprayed every time I saw them, some years I'd be out there every day. My hopes are for mid-August and later.

We reached 95 degrees at 4 PM. When I looked outside I saw lot of pitiful, wilted dahlias. Hopefully, they'll recover by morning. They always have in the past.The forecast is showing 90's for the next two days. At 9 PM it was still 87. Good thing I gave them a good soaking early this morning.
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Jul 13, 2016 7:36 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Mid August is good for me as well. In the meantime I have enough critters to try to battle.

Most years I remove all roses and all buds by very early July. This year I missed due to weeding other gardens. Only two JB's that I've seen so far.

You've got some heat there, Dan!
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Jul 13, 2016 7:58 AM CST
Name: Dan
NE Ohio (Zone 6a)
Garden Photography Composter Dahlias Region: Ohio Region: Ukraine Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Weather Underground says it will be cooler today .... only 90! I feel better already. lol

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