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Oct 13, 2011 4:53 PM CST
Name: Debra joeswife
Derby,Kansas (Zone 6b)
your brugs are fantastic Charleen..
Your Mind is a Garden, Your Thoughts are the Seeds, You can grow Flowers or You can grow Weeds.
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Oct 13, 2011 5:02 PM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
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Thankyou, Dear. Yours are too and you can show them here anytime. Would be glad to have you.
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Oct 14, 2011 6:54 PM CST
Henderson, NC (Zone 7a)
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Hello Debra, so good to see you here. Smiling This is a great place to pull up a chair and chat awhile. And yes, show us your Angels.
Charleen, if you have extra of your Double Peach, & Painted Lady, save one for me please. I think I sent you cuttings last year of all that I have, but will be cutting mine in Nov. and will gladly share with you again.
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Oct 15, 2011 6:21 AM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
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Got you down on my list. I'm feeling like Santa Claus.....Faye. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 15, 2011 6:31 AM CST
Name: Doris Klene
Greensburg,Indiana.
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good morning, I borrowed my daughters computer while she is at work. guess I will need to buy a new one, mine was in the shop 3 times and still not working,
Charleen I am so excited, I have a bud opening up on :DORIS" three other buds dropped off when it got real cold, hope this one makes it, I will try to post a picture today.
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Oct 15, 2011 7:33 AM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
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Great Doris.
Look what I saw in my Monster Brug yesterday. A poor little honeybee, he was just a fussing.
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I know that bloom will be gorgeous..
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Oct 16, 2011 6:25 AM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
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Could someone please help Deebie with her problem. I don't think I'm qualified to answer very well. I'd just take a start and grow another but I want her to have help from someone with more experience. Thanks for the help..

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Oct 15, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

This guy that I got my NOID yellow from said to plant them and mulch with 6 inches of straw to overwinter them in the ground. I've been too nervous to do that. I have a NOID white planted in the ground, that I've had for at least 10 years. In the fall it would put out 3 or 4 flushes one after another. It got huge too, having at one point 25 stalks easily. I was too naive to take a picture of it. It was way before DG or GW. Which leads me to the question: were (are) all those stalks a part of one plant or was the plant multiplying like a perennial. Two winters ago that plant started dying out in the center sending out fewer and fewer stalks. Then we had that brutal winter last year (we had 3 nights of below freezing weather before we even had frost) and one side of the plant died out. The crown of the plant sits about 3 or 4 inches above the soil level and it's base is about 12 inches or more in diameter. Do I dig that thing up and divide it like a perennial? I'll need a saw to do that as the base is so woody. Any ideas? By the way, it didn't grow much this year as I had trouble keeping it watered well. I kept soaker hoses in that area, but they kept springing leaks and I gave up on them. I wasn't expecting any blooms. But, much to my surprise it has buds at 3 feet instead of the usual 5 to 6 ft. What's more unusual is that I don't see where it put out the y's. I'll have to have a closer examination tomorrow and maybe take some pictures.
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Oct 16, 2011 7:09 AM CST
Name: Gordon
Brooklyn , New York
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Charleen... taking cuttings sounds like the way to go.. then you'll have a few strong..young..fresh plants to continue with.. cutting the root mass up will so damage the system of nutrient distribution up as to likely give a poorer grower next year..it would be like a severe freeze.. that killed roots on one side.. causing parts of the branching to grow poorly.. as you've already experienced from last winter.. with 25 stalks it wouldn't miss 10 of them.. even.. and likely make the mother plant healthier in the spring.. so much branching indicates there's a bunch of nutrients stored in the roots..and they were blasting out everywhere out of the "crown".. these were all the same plant...not dividing like a perennial
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Oct 16, 2011 7:22 AM CST
Name: Doris Klene
Greensburg,Indiana.
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I agree and I would actualy cut allmost all the stalks off for new starts, and trim the roots, that way you may still save the main plant,and have lots of extras to keep, or trade.
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Oct 16, 2011 7:24 AM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
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Thank you Dear Gordon. I was hoping to get help.
I had the wind blow over one of my large brugs that is planted in the ground, I left it and just step on the soil so as not to disturb the root mass. The brug is a large yellowbrug, one of George Hilders crosses, he named it Eunice. A single bloom but a large one. The wind and rain was too much for it.
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Oct 16, 2011 10:27 AM CST
Name: Veronica Dykes
central Texas
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Charleen,

I agree with Gordon about going with new cuttings, but to answer Debbie's perennial question. Every once in a while, when everything but the root system has died back, a shoot may form on one of the larger roots. However, I haven't seen that too often. Most of the time the shoots that emerge from the ground come from the buried portion of the trunk. So you can't treat it like a perennial because in all likelihood all stalks belong to the same plant.

As for what has happened to Debbie's Brug ... How cold did it get last winter where Debbie lives? It's hard to say what happened to her Brug unless she digs the whole root ball out. There are a number of possibilities. That brutal winter could have frozen the majority of the root system if the ground froze. That one side of the plant died out indicates that there was root damage and that some of the buried trunk died. It may have taken a while for the whole plant to react to the damage. If rot has set in or if pests that feed on dead matter have invaded the plant, it is best to get rid of it and perhaps use a soil drench or solarize the soil in the area next summer to sterilize it before planting anything else in the same location.

Another possibility for what happened to the Brug could have to do with the way the plant was originally planted. If the native soil has a high clay content, if the sides of the planting hole were smooth and if she amended the soil, the roots may never have left the original planting hole. Instead they may have grown around and around in the same hole until the roots started to girdle one another. That coupled with last year's root and trunk kill would also account for the Brug's decline.

All in all, the easiest thing to do is to start with newly matured cuttings. The cuttings don't have to be small. She might like to try creating small standards. Here's JT link on how to do it.
http://garden.org/articles/vie...

I hope this answers most of Debbie's questions. Smiling :smily:
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Oct 16, 2011 11:43 AM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
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You all are a true blessing and I am so happy for your help. thank you.... Hurray! Hurray! Lovey dubby Group hug
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Oct 16, 2011 2:14 PM CST
Name: Deborah
midstate South Carolina (Zone 8a)
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Thanks for your help, everyone. This plant is 10+ years old. It has had 50+ stalks at one time and was quite a specimen. It currently has about 25 small ones, and is presently in an unhealthy state, as I really neglected it this year. The leaves are small and pale looking. It was so hot that the plant grew very little this year. I measured the base and it's about 32 inches in diameter. Nearly all the stalks are around the perimeter, so it looks weird. It normally blooms at 5 to 6 feet, but I didn't keep it watered (my soaker hoses kept springing leaks and I gave up on them) or fed. But I just noticed that this year it has some buds on it at 3 feet. Blinking There is no telling how I originally planted it. I was very new to gardening at the time and didn't check the rootball. My soil is sandy loam not clay. As for our weather, we can get occasional lows in the upper teens. Frequent freezes, but little snow (although we had 6 in. on one of the 3 times it snowed last winter. So the plants do die down and come back from the roots. Last winter started out brutal. In early November, we had 3 nights of below freezing temps (mid 20's) before we even had frost. The plants were not prepared for that and I'm sure they suffered. Well, it sounds like I should just take cuttings and discard the rootball. Who's going to dig that up? Shrug!
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Oct 16, 2011 2:21 PM CST
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Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
Want to rent my Chihuahua, he loves to dig.... Rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 16, 2011 2:27 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Thank you all, I just learned new things about growing brugs. Now I'm going out to winterize my pore pitiful brug that made it through dogs and drought trying to kill it off.
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Oct 16, 2011 2:28 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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If I want a digging dog I'll borrow my DD Papillon mix. She knows how to dig. Sad
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Oct 16, 2011 3:32 PM CST
Name: Deborah
midstate South Carolina (Zone 8a)
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Rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 16, 2011 3:36 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Well, she really does. I lost track of the shrubs and perennials I had to replant this last summer while she was staying with us. Some didn't make it. Sad
Good thing God made her very cute. Whistling
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Oct 16, 2011 5:21 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
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Yea, but yours doesn't have a rooster body guard either. Kaluha digs em and Jake scatches em out!!!
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Oct 16, 2011 8:26 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
What a team. Rolling on the floor laughing

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