Plant ID forum: What is this plant/tree

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Lmoreno092
Jul 24, 2016 12:21 PM CST
Trying to find out what kind of tree this is. Don't know if this is poisen sumac or not. I live in south Texas.


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Name: Cheryl
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ShadyGreenThumb
Jul 24, 2016 12:26 PM CST
We have a lot of that in our forests , too. Always thought they were young Hickory Nut trees. In the bottom photo are Muscatine Vine. Welcome! Welcome!
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Lmoreno092
Jul 24, 2016 12:35 PM CST
The first pic is of Berries attached to larger trees with the same leaves
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Lmoreno092
Jul 24, 2016 12:46 PM CST
So can you be 100% sure it's not poisen sumac
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terrafirma
Jul 24, 2016 12:56 PM CST
This is the database for poison sumac... Poison Sumac (Toxicodendron vernix)
Compare to yours.

Doesn't look the same to me.
Though I'm not sure what yours is, I think it may more resemble Walnut.

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terrafirma
Jul 24, 2016 1:09 PM CST
Just saw this same post in Ask a Question... The thread "Please help ID" in Plant ID forum
You received some answers there too.
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lauribob
Jul 24, 2016 1:46 PM CST
Is it growing in a wet or swampy area? What I read was that poison sumac grows almost exclusively in those conditions.
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plantladylin
Jul 24, 2016 3:50 PM CST
Compare to Black Walnut (Juglans nigra)
https://www.google.com/search?q=juglans+nigra&biw=1263&bih=8...
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porkpal
Jul 24, 2016 4:15 PM CST
The leaves look like Soapberry, but the fruit and trees look too large.
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sooby
Jul 25, 2016 5:41 AM CST
Not sure what it is, but it's not hickory or black walnut because the leaflets are not toothed, or at least they don't look toothed to me in the pictures. I can't really see the berries clearly in the tree pictures to get an idea of their size in relation to the leaves. In the top picture the perspective may be making them look bigger than they are. Is it possible to get a picture that more clearly shows their relative size?

Edited to add, it does rather look like soapberry as Porkpal suggested. Apparently western soapberry grows to 35 feet.
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ediblelandscapingsc
Jul 25, 2016 5:48 AM CST
the tree looks like a Juglans of some type maybe butternut or heartnut
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sooby
Jul 25, 2016 5:55 AM CST
ediblelandscapingsc said:the tree looks like a Juglans of some type maybe butternut or heartnut


It has to be something with leaflets that are not toothed, which rules out both butternut and heartnut unless there are teeth that I can't see in the pictures.

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sooby
Jul 25, 2016 6:23 AM CST
The bark seems to match Porkpal's suggestion of soapberry too. We only seem to have pics of ripe berries in the NGA database, here's a picture of the trunk from Google:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=western+soapberry&client=safa...

Leaves and berries from Texas A&M:
http://rangeplants.tamu.edu/plant/western-soapberry/

They give the tree height higher at 50ft.
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ediblelandscapingsc
Jul 25, 2016 6:52 AM CST
wow after seeing the pics in the link I think porkpal is right also. I never knew soapberry grew to be 30 something ft tall, you learn something new everyday.
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porkpal
Jul 25, 2016 11:17 AM CST
Me neither, actually. None of the trees around here are more than about 20' tall.
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Lmoreno092
Jul 28, 2016 8:28 AM CST
Going back out to the property this weekend and try and take better pics. I would say the berries are marble size. The trees are not in water but about 50 from a creek and the whole property is mostly sand.
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porkpal
Jul 28, 2016 9:23 AM CST
Still sounds like Soapberry to me.
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plantladylin
Jul 28, 2016 8:09 PM CST
I think @porkpal got the ID right on this one ... it certainly looks like Western Soapberry which is found in Southern Texas. The fruit is toxic.

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/ornamentals/natives/SAPIN...
http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=SASAD

More photos for comparison: https://www.google.com/search?q=Sapindus+drummondii+subsp.+d...
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ediblelandscapingsc
Jul 28, 2016 9:45 PM CST
I agree congratulation of the raffle Lin good to see familiar face's names being drawn. Hurray!
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plantladylin
Jul 29, 2016 7:34 AM CST
Thanks Daniel!
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