Plant ID forum: Plant ID request (II)

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Europe (Zone 7a)
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3mark
Aug 3, 2016 8:24 AM CST
Since my first ID request was dealt with in less than 10 minutes, here's another one. I also expect it's something common but I'd like to know what it is regardless.

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Grows in Europe, zone 7a. Overwintered twice without cover.

Bought at a grocery chain store which carries plants from time to time in a small pot that read "conifer".
Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Aug 3, 2016 12:46 PM CST
Welcome! 3mark,
I'm thinking something like Pinus parviflora
http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Pinus+parviflora&...

Not really sure, but it may be a place to start. It really is a beauty!
Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Aug 3, 2016 12:52 PM CST
Welcome! to NGA

Its a Juniper. Maybe Himalayan Juniper (Juniperus squamata)
Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Aug 3, 2016 1:04 PM CST
Daisy! Hurray! You rock!!!
Here it is! http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-376534549/stock-photo-himala...
Europe (Zone 7a)
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3mark
Aug 3, 2016 1:47 PM CST
Having compared the photos and what is offered locally under the name you supplied, I must say there are too many differences for it to be a pine.

On the other hand, it being a juniper is probably correct. The plant in the stock photo certainly looks similar to mine.
The number of junipers being offered here and their low price also point in that direction (as a comparison, even the smallest pines are 5 times their price).

I wonder if you could help with nailing down the specific cultivar as it doesn't seem to be one of the few most commonly offered here.

Some additional information:

Their main stems aren't really upright at the moment - the one in the second photo has a stick placed behind it to keep it somewhat less flat. They're small (the smaller ones are half foot tall, while the one that's kept more upright is about 1 foot). So far they have been growing rather slowly and have kept their original, vaguely triangular, shape.

Also, they're soft to the touch, unlike the prickly horror that grows opposite them :whistling:
Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Aug 3, 2016 2:06 PM CST
This is the link to what Daisy gave you. Juniperus 'squamata'
http://garden.org/plants/search/text/?q=juniperus+squamata&b...

I would venture to say that unless you know, or can contact the grower, determining the exact cultivar could/would be extremely difficult.
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3mark
Aug 3, 2016 2:09 PM CST
No, I haven't seen it offered since. Perhaps it will resurface at the grocery store one day, as some of their plants do. Though you can easily miss them if you don't go there on the right day - as they usually have few of them in stock.

Anyway, thank you very much! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Aug 3, 2016 2:15 PM CST
3mark said:No, I haven't seen it offered since. Perhaps it will resurface at the grocery store one day, as some of their plants do. Though you can easily miss them if you don't go there on the right day - as they usually have few of them in stock.

Anyway, thank you very much! I tip my hat to you.


Smiling I find the same thing here, especially with finding orchids! Some of our local stores carry some wonderful varieties...Others, not so much. And hitting it at the right time, on the right day, can be difficult. nodding

Good luck to you in your search! Thumbs up
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JRsbugs
Aug 3, 2016 2:35 PM CST
Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Boulevard' looks more like it ..

http://treeinpot.com/treeinpot/Nursery/SawaraCypress/Pics/Ch...

http://www.jacksonsnurseries.co.uk/chamaecyparis-pisifera-bo...
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bonitin
Aug 3, 2016 2:54 PM CST
[quote="JRsbugs"]Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Boulevard' looks more like it ..

http://treeinpot.com/treeinpot/Nursery/SawaraCypress/Pics/Ch...

]http://www.jacksonsnurseries.co.uk/chamaecyparis-pisifera-bo...
I agree
Here is mine bought as a small plant years ago at a flower market..



Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Aug 3, 2016 3:01 PM CST
Oh my... *Blush* I hope @3mark comes back to see this!
Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Aug 3, 2016 4:25 PM CST
Me too! I'll send him a tree-mail....
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3mark
Aug 4, 2016 3:05 AM CST
Well, while the juniper looked similar, this one looks exactly like mine. That must be it! Hurray!

I accidentally found that there is a 'Baby Blue' cultivar which originated from 'Boulevard' and seems to differ only in size.
It's smaller and the growth rate is about 2'' per year, compared to 6'' per year for the latter.

If that's correct, we can assume that if the small ones don't double in size within a year, it's the smaller 'Baby Blue'. If they do... they'll have to be moved D'Oh!
Thanks for the correction! I tip my hat to you.
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JRsbugs
Aug 4, 2016 5:08 AM CST
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The 'needle' growth of Baby Blue doesn't look so lush as yours but I guess you will find out.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Chamaecyparis+pisifera+Bab...

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3mark
Aug 4, 2016 5:28 AM CST
Hmm, I get your point. And to make it more of a challenge Google has now found a cultivar named 'True Blue' which is as small as 'Baby Blue' and its needles seem similar to 'Boulevard' Confused

https://www.mrmaple.com/Buy-Chamaecyparis-pisifera-True-Blue...
http://www.stakehillnurseries.co.uk/conifers/1142-chamaecypa...
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jvdubb
Aug 4, 2016 5:37 AM CST
I have one called Curly Tops to make things more confusing for you
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3mark
Aug 4, 2016 12:13 PM CST
Yes, I have found out about Curly Tops as well, though these seem to be much more... curly Hilarious!

Anyway, the comment that JRsbugs made prompted me to check them again.

The colors differ slightly. The older ones are more bluish to darker green further towards the center while all the newer ones are pale blue to light green. Then there are the needles, somewhat wavy on the older ones, shorter and straight on the newer ones.

Could it be that they are actually two different cultivars (the comparison images will have to be clicked for full size)?

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(left: newer plants, right: older plants)
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WARYR1
Aug 4, 2016 2:50 PM CST
I had Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Boulevard' at one of my old houses. I loved that plant! Looked so pretty in my front bed Smiling
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3mark
Aug 7, 2016 4:21 AM CST
I'm glad the plant was successfully identified, but I wonder if @JRsbugs would add her opinion on whether they could actually be different cultivars (regardless of which ones). They were bought at a different time so it's not out of the question after all.
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JRsbugs
Aug 7, 2016 6:02 AM CST
It's impossible to say if they are different cultivars.

The smaller one does look to be different, but the colour could be due to the medium it was grown in. The different shape could be due to the top having been cut out or broken off. I can't see any real difference in the form of the needle growth.

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