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Oct 2, 2017 5:43 PM CST
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Just wear a mask so you don't breathe that nasty perlite dust while you handle it.

Stush, I imagine a large mammal might have tried to jump up there. Good thing there were no casualties. Thumbs up

More Euphorbias here. A young seedling medusa and her mother, in the same size pot.

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And a different seedling medusa recently repotted to her final container, which she will eventually overgrow. This is the granddaughter of my original medusa (dearly departed) and the daughter of the one in the second picture. Smiling

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Oct 3, 2017 12:46 PM CST
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Couple more;

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Oct 3, 2017 4:31 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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I was going to take pics of other species but got distracted & ended up with a selection of the same plant, E. tirucalli. LOL!
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Oct 7, 2017 12:36 PM CST
Name: Bob
The Kau Desert, Hawaii (Zone 12a)
Baja,
You have many beautiful Euphorbia polygona type plants.
You mention male and female plants.
How do you tell the difference and how do you pollinate?
Another issue.
Can Euphorbia flanaganii be propagated by cutting it up?
Will an arm cut off E. inermis create a new plant cluster?
or can these only be started as seeds?
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Oct 7, 2017 12:48 PM CST
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Thank you. Some species make bisexual cyathia, but not others. Compare these two types of cyathia, which are bigger than the ones on E. polygona and thus easier to see in detail.



The first is male, the second is female. The male parts look like yellow balls on the end of many little sticks. The yellow is actually the pollen. Dab a fine paintbrush into the pollen and you will see it transfers to the brush, and then move it to the female you want to pollinate. The female parts have 3-fold symmetry and come out of the middle of the cyathium. And of course only females make fruit.

Here is a male polygona for comparison. These plants often pollinate each other here without any need for human involvement.



The important thing to remember is that the fruit will open explosively when it is ripe, scattering the seeds to the four winds. So you have to bag it in advance or do what I do, which is wait for the fruit to change color and then collect it at that point to pop within a paper envelope. For example (also bupleurifolia because the parts are bigger and easier) this color change to brown which happens a day or so before the fruit pops.



E. flanaganii can be propagated by cuttings which can form a new "head" -- the caudex with many arms. Usually mature plants will offset on their own over time and you can grab these offsets (formed next to the mother plant) to root and grow on in individual containers. I have a crested plant that reverts regularly and leaves me new heads to cut and propagate. E. inermis (like several other medusas) generally has to be grown from seed. Which is not particularly hard, for what it's worth.

This is the mother of the polygona hybrids above. Not in flower at the moment but if you look carefully you can see female parts left over from the last time around. And if you look extra carefully at the far left side, you can see two light brown capsules still attached to the plant after popping open and releasing their seeds.

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Oct 7, 2017 1:26 PM CST
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Frenchy21 said:

I think I'll stick with perlite for now. Much more reasonable. Smiling


Perlite is fine. Try to get the perlite with large pieces. Sometimes the bag is small pieces and is not as good! I use small lava rock also. It works well too. Pumice is hard to get and getting harder! Our club had a great source for pumice, but it was on American Indian ceremonial land and we can no longer get it there. Sad
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Oct 9, 2017 3:05 AM CST
Name: Bob
The Kau Desert, Hawaii (Zone 12a)
Baja,
Great photos to show the difference in male & female Euphorbia flowers.
Seems all my E. flanagaii are male plants.
Can I breed with E. polygona?
Thank You!
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Oct 9, 2017 8:53 AM CST
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If you look closely E. flanaganii should make bisexual flowers (at least mine does, and it's self fertile). You can certainly transfer the pollen to your polygonas and see what happens. Probably nothing if I had to guess. I've tried pollinating Euphorbias that are not similar to each other and not much has come of it. You can try to collect any fruit that appears on your flanaganii plant, and grow that species from seed, which is not particularly hard.
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Oct 9, 2017 11:47 AM CST
Name: Bob
The Kau Desert, Hawaii (Zone 12a)
I guess I need to get my paint brush active on E. flanaganii.
I have never had any seed starts in the pot, but will pay close attention
to my plants for seed pods.
I get E. suzanne babies in the pot so it must be self fertile also?
Thanks for the input.
I love my Euphorbias Smiling
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Oct 9, 2017 12:09 PM CST
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E. susannae is another species with separate sexes. Your plant may be female and pollinated by another plant nearby. Watch those babies as they grow up! Smiling The male parts on that plant seem to blow away with the slightest wind but the female parts should be pretty stable (and fall is flowering time). Interestingly E. susannae can produce offspring with E. bupleurifolia (the plant used to illustrate sexes above) and here's what one of those hybrids looks like. It appears to be sterile.



Sexing Euphorbias is complicated by the fact that male and female parts sometimes do not appear in synchrony. And the male parts tend to blow away in the wind (though the female parts tend not to). I was convinced both parents of my miniature leafy Euphorbias above were male (and was frustrated by that) until they started making fruit, and then I realized what was going on.

Another caveat is that the separation of the sexes is not iron clad, so male plants will sometimes make female flowers. Two examples of males walking on the wild side here.



So you know what to look for, this is what goes down on my E. flanaganii without me doing anything special. I don't collect the fruit any more so it just sits on the plant until it explodes or the wind takes it away. There may only be 1 or 2 seeds per fruit, and plenty of duds in there, but plenty of viable ones too.

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I am having trouble loading the site below right now (and I see it's over a decade old) but it has (or had) a tremendous amount of useful information, including which Euphorbia species are dioecious (males and females are separate individuals).

http://euphorbia.de/indexe.htm
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Nov 19, 2017 7:25 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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There are 4 E. tirucalli plants in this rectangle pot that were in ground from March until yesterday.
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And this was in the ground with its' pot buried. I dug it up yesterday too.
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This is the same pot 10 months ago. It grew a LOT!
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And E. 'Diamond Frost' has been blooming since I got it in March.
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Jun 30, 2018 7:35 AM CST
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Some current shots of some Euphs
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How are others' plants doing? New finds lately?
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Jun 30, 2018 9:45 AM CST
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I bought this tirucalli Rosea in February and just put it outside several weeks ago. It is starting to color up nicely.

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Jul 8, 2018 5:45 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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'Diamond Frost' continues to bloom (purchased in March, 2017.) Thankfully, it does seem to be sterile. No seedlings have popped up anywhere. Shows up well in person but hard to photograph.
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