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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 1:31 PM CST
OK I owe you all some pictures. I have been super busy the past few days with other projects. but now it's raining so I have no excuse.
Here are some of the succulents I currently have. I realize that some of the pictures may be of the same kind of plant in different places.
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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 1:32 PM CST
some more.

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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 1:35 PM CST
I only know the names of a few, and then generally only if they are 'Aloe' or 'Agave' or 'Cactus' so not too brilliant there. I have a lot still to learn about succulents!


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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Database Moderator
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 1:39 PM CST
the pictures are sometimes a little blurry - it was early morning.


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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Database Moderator
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 1:40 PM CST
last batch!


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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 16, 2011 2:12 PM CST

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Hetty those are wonderful. Looks like you have what we call Tender Perenials. They would love your climate. This are much different in requirements than the Hardy Succulents (Sempervivum, hardy sedum and Jovibarba).

I am going to split this off and put these posts over in the Tender Succulent thread where they won't get lost.
Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 2:15 PM CST
Well, I don't want to sound ignorant but how can you tell the difference between hardy and tender?
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Oct 16, 2011 2:43 PM CST

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With time and experience you will see the difference. I really don't know how to explain it to you.

Sempervivum 'Abba' is one you might confuse with a tender succulent such as this Echeveria. But if you see them in person you will see the difference in texture and leaf structure. When they bloom is a real give away that they are different from each other.
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Sempervivum bloom and an Echeveria bloom. Sorry the echie bloom is not a very good photo. Maybe some one has a better photo of an echie bloom they can post for Hetty to see.
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Here is a better explaination quoted from UBC Botanical http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=38...
Both genera are usually rosulate perennials but some Echeveria species are shrubby.

When you see the two in bloom there is no mistaking them.

Echeveria have flower stems that arise from the sides of the rosettes and have tubular five parted flowers. The rosettes can produce flower stems for years without dying.

Sempervivum have star-like flowers with many more than five petals. The flower stems arise directly from the center of the rosette and the entire plant dies after flowering.

Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Oct 16, 2011 2:50 PM CST
"Hardy" succulents don't tend to freeze and "tender" succulents do. The latter aren't outside plants in cold temperatures below about 40º and definitely won't tolerate freezing weather. Some can't tolerate temps even over freezing-50º or so. Kinda like the plumeria thing.

Sorry, Lynn, but that's the simplest explanation I know. Not that I'm an expert. Certainly not. Hilarious!
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 2:54 PM CST
well, I think I have passed 'Hardy Succulents 101' and am ready for Class 201... Hilarious!
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SongofJoy
Oct 16, 2011 3:00 PM CST
Hilarious! Rolling on the floor laughing Yep, differentiating between those that will freeze and those that won't (Semps, Sedums, Jovibarba, etc.) is the easy part. Figuring out what species all those tender succulents are gets a bit more tricky. But you have the aptitude for it because you've learned all those Plumeria names and the info.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 16, 2011 3:12 PM CST

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Great explanation Tee. I just didn't want anyone to find out the hard way by freezing their Tender Succulents.

Here is a photo of a semp in bloom as compared to the echeveria in bloom. See how the bloom stalks are coming up from the center of the Sempervivum? The rosette will eventually dwindle away to nothing as it puts all of it's energy to producing the blooms and latter the seeds. the Echeveria puts the bloom stalks out the sides from between it's leaves and will not die after blooming.
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A fun thing to do is place some semps next to your tender succulents and really look at them and compare the differences up close. The texture, shape of the leaves (as in how thick they are) and see what else you see that is different from each other.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 16, 2011 3:13 PM CST

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We cross posted Tee. : )
SongofJoy said: Hilarious! Rolling on the floor laughing Yep, differentiating between those that will freeze and those that won't (Semps, Sedums, Jovibarba, etc.) is the easy part. Figuring out what species all those tender succulents are gets a bit more tricky. But you have the aptitude for it because you've learned all those Plumeria names and the info.

I agree
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Oct 16, 2011 3:18 PM CST
Yes, Hetty's climate is such that she usually doesn't have to worry about which is tender and which is hardy. It's the same climate I had in Southern CA. She appears to be showing all tender succulents in the photos. Would you agree?
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Oct 16, 2011 3:29 PM CST

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Yes, they do all appear to be tenders. One of them appears to be Graptopetalum paraguayense (Ghost Plant) and an Echeveria 'Topsy Turvy'.
What do you think Tee?

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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 3:32 PM CST
I had definitely noticed the more 'fleshy' appearance of my succulents.
Thanks also for identifying some of my plants and I will diligently try to learn their names.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Oct 16, 2011 3:33 PM CST

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You are so much fun Hetty. Hurray!
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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SongofJoy
Oct 16, 2011 3:40 PM CST
I definitely agree on those two. A nice Graptopetalum paraguayense and a nice Echeveria TT. And I do believe I see a Gasteria or a Gasteraloe up there too. And a bright green Crassula.

Now, the picture in the third set, middle, anyone know that one? I need to go enlarge it.
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched -- they must be felt with the heart. ~ Helen Keller
Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Oct 16, 2011 3:42 PM CST
That is a Kalanchoe
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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SongofJoy
Oct 16, 2011 3:44 PM CST
OK, several different varieties in that pot ... anyone know the one with the spots? Is it an Kalanchoe of some type? I love that entire planter. Lovey dubby Way to go, Hetty.
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched -- they must be felt with the heart. ~ Helen Keller

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