Trees and Shrubs forum: One more of those 'Help me ID this tree' threads....

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Kelt
Oct 1, 2016 6:25 PM CST
Hi, group!! I just joined and did a welcome post and then.... straight here before I look around some more. We bought a house early this Spring here in Northeast PA, and there are two trees (small) that I am trying to ID. I wasn't sure where to turn, so went looking for a very solid website - and here I am!
OK, I have attached pics of both trees. The first looks like some type of soft "fern-leaf looking" pine tree. When we looked at the house in the Winter, it was bare... looked like a Charlie Brown tree, main stem about five feet. Now, from Summer into current month, it's about 15' high, and about 10' around. Very healthy looking- faces east with full sun until late in day when house blocks sunlight late in day.
Second tree, almost looks like mint-type leafs. Maybe 10' high, and about 6' around- a bit larger than an ornamental tree. This one had some small white flowers, sparse, early in the Summer, with birds frequenting it. Gets full sun, seems very healthy.
My apologies for such a long post. I'm just not sure otherwise how to learn more about these two!
Thanks for any help, very very much appreciated...
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Kelt
Oct 3, 2016 9:27 AM CST
23 views, and no ideas? I'm guessing the first one might be a small cypress?
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sooby
Oct 4, 2016 6:19 AM CST
Welcome! Probably two reasons, firstly some of us have been having problems viewing images in the new site and secondly we can't see enough detail for your plants. Can you take any closer shots of the top one? This is a long shot but it rather reminds me of a Cryptomeria but I'm far from certain.

Cryptomeria:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=weeping+cryptomeria&client=sa...

For the second plant can you take a close-up of a branch/twig to show whether the leaves are opposite or alternate on the stem?

You could also try posting each plant separately in the Plant ID forum.
Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
You can't have too many viburnums..
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ViburnumValley
Oct 8, 2016 10:28 AM CST
In case no one has answered/solved these questions...

Your first plant is a Baldcypress - Taxodium distichum. For those still on the fence about its ID, Kelt gave the best clue in the description - you shouldn't even need a picture. The tree is deciduous in winter, so that eliminates almost any other conifer.

I'm not sure on your second plant. You could take some additional pictures that clearly show the leaf arrangement along the stems - that always helps - as well as the bark on the main stems.

Closer scrutiny makes me believe the second plant has opposite arrangement of foliage, and might have had terminal flowers? It seems familiar, but the serrate leaf margins are puzzling me.
John
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sooby
Oct 8, 2016 11:37 AM CST
Good catch, John, I was having trouble looking at the images after the site changeover and overlooked that the first one was bare in winter D'Oh!

Could the second one be Viburnum recognitum?

http://www.florafinder.com/LargePhotos/D7/Viburnum_recognitu...
Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
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ViburnumValley
Oct 11, 2016 8:25 PM CST
I am gallantly trying NOT to say that this might be a Viburnum that I can't identify...

The terminal stubs shown just don't seem to match with Viburnum, despite the opposite foliage with serrated margins that do fit with the Viburnum dentatum and friends group - which would include Viburnum recognitum.

IF this were a Viburnum, it should have more branching to the remainder pedicel (or whatever the right botanical term is) from the flowering structure - cyme? The images seem to indicate something else.

Need...more...information...
John
Name: Britnay
Detroit Mi (Zone 6a)
Oh! What's that?! ....oops...
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1hugaholic
Oct 14, 2016 9:57 AM CST
Wow those are beautiful trees.
Question, does the small one produce any tiny berries in the spring or any flowers?? This may help me figure this one out.
Lord please let this seed not be a weed!

Kelt
Oct 14, 2016 4:38 PM CST
Wow, thanks for all this help! Very cool...
Yes the second tree had some small white/off white flowers in Spring- they didn't last long however.
The first tree (bald cypress?) was indeed bald when we were first looking at the house during end of last Winter... I will watch it this time and see how soon it starts happening. Here's a few closeups of the first one's smaller end branches, although it seems we have an ID... Next are a few closeups of the second tree. Note that the second tree's leaves can get as large as the ones showing against the trusty old ruler. Thanks!

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Name: John
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ViburnumValley
Oct 15, 2016 5:42 PM CST
Uncle!

And great closeups, by the way.

That's definitely a Viburnum, and likely one like Viburnum recognitum or Viburnum dentatum - which are kissing cousins.

Apparently that is the only viburnum of it's kind in your landscape, or it would be full of fruit. I'd vote to add another selection of Viburnum dentatum (Arrowwood Viburnum) so that you get good cross pollination between plants, and you will find loads of blue fruit next summer.

Your pollinating insects will thank you, and your winged brethren will love you.
John

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