Plant Database forum: odd question marks

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Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Oct 26, 2011 6:31 PM CST
I'm noticing these weirdly placed question marks in a lot of entries. What is their purpose?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Oct 26, 2011 6:39 PM CST

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I see that, Lee Anne. It might have to do with your character encoding choice. I have mine set to Unicode because I use Cyrillic half of the time, and I see the question marks in some entries. When I set the coding to Western, the question marks disappear.
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Brockville, Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
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threegardeners
Oct 26, 2011 6:41 PM CST
How do I change that?
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Oct 26, 2011 6:45 PM CST

Plants Admin

On my computer, I click on "view," click on "character encoding," and choose "Western." If you already have Western, then that's not the reason you're seeing them.
Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Oct 26, 2011 6:47 PM CST
nice try!
I changed it to Western and am still seeing the question mark...even remembered the shift-refresh thing.
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plantladylin
Oct 26, 2011 6:50 PM CST
I haven't noticed question marks like that and didn't have a clue about "character encoding" so went searching after reading Zuzu's post and see that mine is listed as text encoding and it's set on default whatever that means. It's the first at the top of the list with a check mark next to the word Default, next says Western (ISO Latin I) and then Western (Mac OS Roman). Whistling LOL, I thought I'd play around and change it to see what happens but I guess I better leave it alone or I might really mess things up and then have to have someone tell me how to get back to where it should be. Hilarious!
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Oct 26, 2011 6:52 PM CST

Plants Admin

Hmmm... Then I'm stumped. Sorry.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Oct 26, 2011 7:02 PM CST

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Well, I just tried it on IE and over there the thing's called just plain "encoding" and it's set to "Auto-select" and "Unicode." On IE I see a little box instead of a question mark. It seems to be a response to the "apostrophe-s-hyphen" sequence because it only appears in names saying "lady's-slipper" and doesn't appear in the other entry on the search page saying "Lady's Slipper." It goes away when I switch to "Western."
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 26, 2011 7:05 PM CST

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Zuzu is on the right track here, but those special characters are bugs that should be edited out. If you see them, considering submitting a "Edit plant name" proposal. The presence of such a character mark will completely empty out that field, so you have to remember what the name was and re-type the whole thing.

These are artifacts from when I transferred the database from cubits over to ATP and as we find them and fix them, they will eventually all be gone and this won't be an issue anymore.
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Brockville, Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
Perpetually happy!
Forum moderator Tip Photographer I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Critters Allowed Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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threegardeners
Oct 26, 2011 7:08 PM CST
ok...so it is the apostrophe-s-hyphen thing?

If so we could just copy the whole name then paste it into the new edit, backspacing the hyphen out...no?
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 26, 2011 7:11 PM CST

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Right indeed.
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flaflwrgrl
Oct 26, 2011 7:13 PM CST
Good thinking Lee Anne.
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Name: Lee Anne Stark
Brockville, Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
Perpetually happy!
Forum moderator Tip Photographer I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Critters Allowed Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Keeps Goats Keeper of Poultry Frogs and Toads Charter ATP Member Region: Canadian
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threegardeners
Oct 26, 2011 7:15 PM CST
hehehe...only because I know I could never remember some of those names in the database!!
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Oct 26, 2011 7:17 PM CST
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I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



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