Roses forum: Mystery Roses

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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2011 9:40 AM CST
I have a couple of unidentified roses that I hope someone can help name. The first is a climber that I bought from The Vintage Rosery when they closed a couple of years ago. It has grown into a large bush. The blossoms are a pale pink fading to cream about 2" across, they are fragrant, and bloom almost continuously, the leaves are medium green, not shiny but disease resistant, it has few thorns.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2011 9:53 AM CST
The second is a rose my son transplanted from his yard in Long Beach CA. It is probably a Hybrid tea, at least it has that growth habit. The blooms are deep pink, almost red and it flowers throughout the spring, summer and fall - quite well considering that it isn't really thriving under my "care".
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The leaves are dark green, not glossy, and it had thorns in two sizes.

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Oops! It doesn't actually grow sideways.
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Skiekitty
Nov 6, 2011 2:33 PM CST
Your second one (the pink) I'm going to guess as Electron? Very common rose, but it's still quite pretty. Been around forever, easily bought. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.2581
The first light pink one I have no clue.. I'm not too good with climbers.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 6, 2011 3:34 PM CST

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The bloom and growth habit of the first one look like a noisette. Where's Melva? She knows all the names of the noisettes.

How tall is the second one? It does look a lot like Electron, but it could be Miss All-American Beauty if it's really tall (or a hundred other roses that are that color).
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2011 7:21 PM CST
I have Electron and Miss All American Beauty and this rose is a darker shade. The color in the picture I posted is sort of washed out. It is only about 3' tall but it is growing in partial shade with minimal water so I imagine it ought to be taller. I hoped the two-sized thorns might be a clue. I'm sure it is some rather common/popular rose as all the roses that came with the house my son bought were - at least those that still had tags were. It is a durable rose as it is one of the few that he transplanted that is still alive.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2011 7:47 PM CST
The only pink Noisette that The Vintage Rosery has listed is Champney's Pink Cluster, and it doesn't look like my rose: too pink and flatter. Although closed The Vintage Rosery maintains a web site: http://www.vintagerosery.com It used to be a really lovely rose nursery.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 6, 2011 8:08 PM CST

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A climbing polyantha? It looks like it's related to Cecile Brunner. Cecile's blooms can look like that when they're fully opened.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 6, 2011 8:45 PM CST

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I ran a search for deep-pink hybrid teas from the United States after 1960, and the popular ones are Breathless, Elizabeth Taylor, and Fame. HMF also lists Timeless as deep pink, but that rose is so red it's almost orange.

I tried searching for deep-pink hybrid teas without any other characteristics and got back volumes of possibilities, so that's why I added the U.S. and after 1960 criteria, but Kordes, McGredy, and Meilland roses (among others) have always been popular here and they wouldn't be in that search.

The two types of thorns aren't really that uncommon.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2011 9:58 PM CST
The Vintage Rosery did offer a climbing Cecile Brunner, perhaps she is my rose!

Also Fame looks more like the other unknown than anything else has so maybe...


Thanks, Zuzu!
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 6, 2011 10:06 PM CST

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I was going to suggest that one from the beginning, but I assumed that you already had one (don't know why) and that you would have recognized it.

All the pieces fit: Not many thorns, 2" blooms, pale pink fading to cream, fragrant, etc., etc., etc.

By the way, if you need more, just throw some pieces on the ground after pruning. It roots so easily that you can lay a long cane on the surface of the ground and it'll put down roots about every 6-8 inches.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST
Actually I do have a non-climbing Cecile Brunner. I don't know why I didn't connect the two.
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zuzu
Nov 6, 2011 10:48 PM CST

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The connection could be vague. I don't have a non-climbing one, but sports are different in form and color (otherwise we wouldn't know they're sports). Even the climbing sports of roses usually have differences other than growing habit. The climbing Queen Elizabeth sport, for instance, produces smaller blooms and doesn't bloom nearly as often as the non-climber.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Nov 7, 2011 7:39 AM CST
The same seems to apply to this rose, if it is a climbing Cecile Brunner. It has smaller and fewer blooms than my other plant, although the color and form seems much the same. I always expect climbers to be slower to get fully established. I will continue to observe her behavior, but I think you have correctly named her.
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