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Jun 10, 2017 10:02 AM CST
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NW Iowa (Zone 4b)
Can anyone identify this plant?
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Jun 10, 2017 10:18 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Hi Linda, Welcome!

The leaves remind me of Delosperma, commonly called Ice Plant: Ice Plant (Delosperma)

Have you seen blooms on the plant? We have many Delosperma listed in the database with photos for comparison: https://garden.org/plants/sear...
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Jun 10, 2017 10:31 AM CST
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NW Iowa (Zone 4b)
Thank you. I Haven't seen any flowers on it. This is just the second year I've lived here, and I don't think it bloomed last year either. I've looked at some of the Ice Plant pictures, but I'm not sure that's what it is.
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Jun 10, 2017 10:47 AM CST
Name: Celia
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The leaves are too flat Delosperma. Is it a succulent, though? It's hard to tell on my phone.
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Jun 10, 2017 10:53 AM CST
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NW Iowa (Zone 4b)
No, it's not a succulent. Here is another picture from farther away. Hard to take a good picture today because it's extremely windy.
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Jun 10, 2017 10:59 AM CST
Name: Celia
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Thanks for the extra picture but I'm afraid it doesn't look familiar to me. Sorry. Shrug!
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Jun 10, 2017 11:02 AM CST
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NW Iowa (Zone 4b)
Thanks for trying Smiling
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Jun 10, 2017 12:25 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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I think it might be this: Allium senescens 'Glaucum'
Blue Circle Onion, I have it, never a bloom, stays contained and small. Its been in the yard for 20+ years
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Jun 10, 2017 12:36 PM CST
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NW Iowa (Zone 4b)
I think you're right! It looks like the pictures I saw of the Allium senescens Glaucum. Thank you so much for the help!
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Jun 10, 2017 1:26 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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Jan 28, 2018 10:45 PM CST
Name: Mark McDonough
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Your dwarf swirling gray-leaf plant is specifically, Allium senescens "glaucum" of Hort. (plant existing in Horticulture), the true Allium senescens ssp. glaucum is an Asian plant that is tall growing. Follow my comment link below, in that response I give photo links from a Russian Flora showing the TRUE plant, verified by the taxonomist that published this subspecies combination in 1987.

The thread "the true Allium senescens ssp. glacum is not in cultivation." in Comment concerning Circle Onion (Allium senescens 'Glaucum')

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Jan 29, 2018 6:04 AM CST
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Thank you!
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Jan 29, 2018 8:01 AM CST
Name: greene
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Thank You! Thank you everyone! I followed this thread with interest and now want to order some of the lovely swirling Alium. Thumbs up Who could not love such a well-behaved plant. Thumbs up
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Jan 29, 2018 8:55 AM CST
Name: Sue
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AntMan01 said:Your dwarf swirling gray-leaf plant is specifically, Allium senescens "glaucum" of Hort. (plant existing in Horticulture), the true Allium senescens ssp. glaucum is an Asian plant that is tall growing. Follow my comment link below, in that response I give photo links from a Russian Flora showing the TRUE plant, verified by the taxonomist that published this subspecies combination in 1987.


Mark, you may be interested in this article just published by the same author:

"Molecular markers presented clear evidence that A. senescens subsp. glaucum is in the strict sense only distantly related to A. senescens and should be accepted at species rank. As the binomen A. glaucum refers to the A. schoenoprasum alliance, the name A. baicalense must be applied."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
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Jan 31, 2018 10:33 AM CST
Name: Mark McDonough
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sooby said:

Mark, you may be interested in this article just published by the same author:

"Molecular markers presented clear evidence that A. senescens subsp. glaucum is in the strict sense only distantly related to A. senescens and should be accepted at species rank. As the binomen A. glaucum refers to the A. schoenoprasum alliance, the name A. baicalense must be applied."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...


Wow, that's hot off the press, published January 23, 2018, just one week ago! Thanks for pointing it out. Too funny, it was Nikolai Friesen who elevated Allium glaucum to A. senescens ssp. glaucum twenty years ago, now he's changed his mind, lol. I'll see if there's a free download of this, or ask Dr. Friesen himself to send me a copy. It takes ages for these types of small singular publications and name changes to make it into the body-work of taxonomy.

However, the important thing to note, all that goes around as the dwarf "circle onion" named A. senescens ssp. glaucum (of Hort.) still have nothing to do with the true tall plant, whether it was for 20 years the true A. senescens ssp. glaucum or whether they have resurrected the old name baicalense (generally regarded as a synonym of asian A. senescens along with 22 other synonyms). These taxonomists create as much of a quagmire as they do any enlightenment). Grumbling
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Jan 31, 2018 10:41 AM CST
Name: greene
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AntMan01 said:
These taxonomists create as much of a quagmire as they do any enlightenment). Grumbling


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Jan 31, 2018 10:25 PM CST
Name: Mark McDonough
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greene said:

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LOL, I call it dysfunctionality, some taxonomists are uber lumpers versus the uber splitters.
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