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Dec 7, 2022 12:59 AM CST
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When purchased Su1 had one small flower, five yellow petals with a mid rib black stripe.

Some results of finding a truly useful plant whose mucilage can be used in field grafting.

Best so far in order of my preference:
Succulent, above photo, I have coded it Su1 till I get an ID.
Schlumbergera NOID
Pereskiopsis porterii(?)

NBG's:
Aloe arborescens
Aloe vera
Jade - Crassula ovata

The grafting attempt of a very small Su1 scion to O. robusta, failed.

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Dec 13, 2022 4:17 AM CST
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Further to https://garden.org/thread/view...

I purchased some more of the plant and this time was lucky enough to find someone who was bit knowledgeable and told me it was Graptopetalum paraguayense.

Will do a trial to make sure he's right and the plants purchased have the property I am interested in.

Anyone feels the ID is incorrect please let me know.

Have cut up the original plant as well. From what I have found, the best conditions for rapid growth are light or dappled shade and half strength foliar spray.

Any other thoughts would be appreciated.

Cheers

Later:
Should have done this first.

Searched Garden.org and given flower color of the plant originally purchased, the original plant had a yellow flower but quite different for the one shown here, as there were five petals with a black stripe on the midrib area. Kick myself for not photographing it.

Back to the drawing board.

https://garden.org/search/inde...
https://garden.org/ideas/view/...
https://www.crassulaceae.ch/de...

Graptosedum ghosty has yellow blooms while graptopetalum has white blooms
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Jan 13, 2023 8:04 AM CST
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The Epi scion on the Hylo, despite it's size did not flower. It is now getting out of hand with a great number of new shoots developing over the past week.
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Yesterday decided to remove it and did so.
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It was threatening to dominate the rootstock.

Have left enough of the rootstock with roots on the removed scion, to pot up when healing is finished.

Started a new Epi scion on the rootstock.

Unusual weather here during Spring, last ice 31st October 2022, with the result flowering of Cereus, Hylocereus and Selenicereus is way behind schedule, Pereskiopsis has only just come out of hibernation. So much for global warming.

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Jan 19, 2023 1:01 AM CST
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An update to mucilage aided seedling grafting in a field situation.

First comparison was between Pereskiopsis mucilage and that of a Schlumbergera I have.
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The Pereskiopsis aided graft is to the left with a P mark, the Schlumbergera has an S mark nearby on the right.

Both are from the same batch of seedlings. The scion on the right is much larger though that is not obvious. Naturally the seedlings could be responsible for the difference in size, but given last year's experience it is a little unlikely to be the case.
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These grafts were done with the mucilage of the last succulent I purchased. There have been quite a number of grafts done with the above being a selection only.

It takes approximately two weeks under the current climatic conditions before it becomes obvious the union is successful.

There is approximately an 80% success rate, which considering the field conditions, particularly the strong overnight winds at the moment, is excellent.

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Feb 4, 2023 7:41 AM CST
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ausrpned said: An update to mucilage aided seedling grafting in a field situation.

First comparison was between Pereskiopsis mucilage and that of a Schlumbergera I have.
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Today is only 16 days since the previous photo was posted

Clearly I was wrong about the scion where Schlumbergera mucilage was used, it now appears I have a fast growing seedling, it may even rival and/or exceed last year's star performer Ps1's, growth rate.

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Mar 14, 2023 7:32 PM CST
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ausrpned said:I have a fast growing seedling.


Too true.
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Grafted 27th November 2022, today 15th March 2023.

Pleased.
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Mar 15, 2023 3:45 AM CST
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Trying a new technique which occurred to me today.

The plant I used to provide some Frost resistance, has only one graft using the mucilage technique, it rarely provides the sort of the growth enabling the mucilage technique to be used successfully.

The vascular bundle attached to an areole can be seen shining a LED torch on one side of a cladode wing allowing the marking of the vascular bundle shadow, on the other side.

A cut, using a V Cutter, can thus be made exposing the vascular bundle. The same tool is then used to make a matching cut on the seedling scion and the scion inserted.

Tried it this afternoon and found in the seedling scion held firmly so left it and made another graft using the same proceedure but using Schlumbergera mucilage as well.

Should know in about 10 days which proceedure produces the best result.

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Cheers

Update 28/5/2023
With the start of the colder weather, both scions failed, little difference between the scion where mucilage used, lasted slightly longer, and the scion having no mucilage applied.
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Mar 24, 2023 5:49 AM CST
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Last season I cross pollinated one of my Selenicereus setaceus with one of my hybrids. Unfortunately only one seedling eventuated.

Not long ago I grafted a piece of the seedling, it is doing well.
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Let's hope the flower is excellent and the fruit is delicious.

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Apr 2, 2023 2:01 AM CST
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Wondering whether doing a hypocotyl graft prior to the development of the epicotyl.

Have some new seedlings so decided to experiment.
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Might be a bit late in the Season for field grafts, still worth trying.

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Apr 30, 2023 9:32 AM CST
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The scion has been in place for some months, outcome not what I had hoped, seems there may be an incompatibility in the scion/rootstock combination.

Will leave the scion in place, things may change next Season.

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Sep 15, 2023 4:53 AM CST
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Came across another unkown hormone source, surpisingly, garlic.
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From Growing red dragon fruit from branches..

It's amazing what is available(hopefully believable) on the Net, he is also using coffee as a fertiliser/growth promoter.

Will give his way of striking roots on Hylocereus a try.

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Oct 9, 2023 8:52 PM CST
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Have been testing the use of Graptopetalum petadrum ssp superbum, in grafting seedling scions to Hylocereus rootstock, good results so far.
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Test Epicotyl graft.
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Epicotyl graft.
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Hypocotyl graft.

Pleased with the result, will do more grafts shortly.

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Oct 13, 2023 10:39 AM CST
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Grafting question:
What is the center, base cactus used for this? Would love to try making one with Christmas cactus Lovey dubby
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Oct 14, 2023 10:29 PM CST
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Floridian said: Grafting question:
What is the center, base cactus used for this? Would love to try making one with Christmas cactus Lovey dubby
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Hi suspect it is one of the Hylocereus, it would be unlikely to be Hylocereus trigonus, used extensively in South Korea, Production and Breeding of Cacti for Grafting in Korea as I have not come across anyone locally who has a grafted scion, on H trigonus, for any lenght of time.

What you need is a fast growing Hylo species so it may pay to collect a number of species and select one which has the properties you need.

Unfortunately Kada's Garden has dismantled their website, have found no mention on the site of the Hylocereus used. There is a good guide however at How to properly graft to Hylocereus root stocks., you might try contact.html and see if you get a reply.

You will notice the seedling scions I am grafting, are on a fast growing species and am using fresh shoots together with Graptopetalum species leaf mucilage.

For field work stop at or just before, the Autumnal Equinox starting again after the Spring Equinox when new growth resumes.

Notice in your first photo, the removal of areoles not being used, encouraging both initiation of new shoots or reduced competion for scions to be grafted.

Let us know how you get on.

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Oct 14, 2023 10:44 PM CST
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Unfortunately the fastest growing scion of the HoP seedlings, has not inherited the cold tolerance of the P hybrid.
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Have cut it off hoping to at least, have a plant with excellent tasting fruit.

Other scions on the same rootstock, lack signs of cold damage.

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Oct 15, 2023 1:51 PM CST
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Thanks for all the info! I appreciate you taking the time to give me such detailed help. Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers!
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Oct 18, 2023 2:18 AM CST
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Floridian said: Thanks for all the info! I appreciate you taking the time to give me such detailed help. Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers!

No prob's, if you proceed let us know irrespective of success or failure, either situation can have others learn from your efforts.

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Nov 8, 2023 3:21 AM CST
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Grafted a Chauncey scion to O. robusta 22nd February 2023, August 31st removed portion of rootstock carrying the scion and potted it.

The scion developed a flower bud which flowered 5th November. Things a bit hectic and forgot to record pollen used on the flower.

Note Flower color: a poor imitation of Chauncey flowers on a Chauncey plant.
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Nov 28, 2023 7:33 PM CST
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Floridian said: Thanks for all the info! I appreciate you taking the time to give me such detailed help. Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers!

Floridian, I checked a site today to see if there were any developments, it's been busy by the look of it, a diversity of grafts have been carried out, mainly ornamentals.

In particular there are three grafts you may find useful:
Try pairing rabbit ears cactus with dragon fruit
How to pair Succulent with dragon fruit
How to graft cactus into the stem of Epiphyllum

Generally speaking the site is well worthwhile visiting just to see the plants being grown and grafted to/from.

Cheers
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Nov 29, 2023 6:45 AM CST
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Hi - not much progress I'm afraid, thinking and planning still. Thanks for the videos, very informative. I thought I would have to grow the base first and make sure I had a solid root system before starting, but the first video shows grafting/rooting at same time. I found a source of mature dragon fruit cacti to use for this project as mine are only 1-2 years old and the branches are too narrow, especially since I want to do the multi-tier grafts. I was waiting for spring to start this project as Tampa still gets cold nights in the winter, but I may start earlier….. I bought a Christmas cactus with beautiful colors so will enjoy the blooms now before it becomes a donor and will raid the clearance racks at our local big box for more donors, of course these will probably be mystery colors. Very excited to get started on this project and will post pictures!
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