Plant Database forum: Which of these should I use?

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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Jan 20, 2012 1:43 PM CST
Hi, Dave.

Question - Which of these should I use? Would I be incorrect in thinking they are one and the same? I have photos to add to this plant, but I don't know the particular cultivar name for it, it just says "White".

Japanese Dogwood (Cornus kousa chinensis)
Korean Dogwood (Cornus kousa var. chinensis)
(Cornus kousa subsp. chinensis)

...and as for the primary common name; isn't this plant actually a Chinese dogwood?
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM CST

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The plants you are referencing are:





Chinese Dogwood (Cornus kousa subsp. chinensis)

I'm not sure what the difference(s) between these three plants are and even if they are actually valid as separate plants. Hopefully someone else can help us out on this interesting problem.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM CST
Does this help? http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-47417
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 20, 2012 4:10 PM CST
Cornus kousa is also an accepted name.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-47414

Cornus kousa subsp. chinensis is accepted.

Cornus kousa var. chinensis is a synonym of Cornus kousa subsp. chinensis

Cornus kousa ..

http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2006/06/cornus_kousa....

There are cultivars, 'Milky Way' ..

http://www.burncoose.co.uk/site/plants.cfm?pl_id=1294

Cornus kousa subsp. chinensis (although they have put it as 'var.'. It looks to have pink tips to the petals..

http://www.cambridge2000.com/gallery/html/P60215253.html

http://www.crocus.co.uk/plants/_/trees/deciduous/small-garde...

There are cultivars, 'Milky Way' ..

http://www.burncoose.co.uk/site/plants.cfm?pl_id=1294

'Gold Star' ..

http://www.burncoose.co.uk/site/plants.cfm?pl_id=1293

'Eddie's White Wonder'

http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2005/04/cornus_eddies...

'White Fountain' ..

http://www.trees-online.co.uk/white-fountain-dogwood-tree-co...

Are you sure it's Cornus kousa Chelle? There's Cornus florida 'Cloud Nine' ..

http://www.hort.net/gallery/view/cor/corflcn40

Cornus capitata ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cornus_capitata_2.jpg



Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 20, 2012 4:17 PM CST
I've submitted proposals to delete both Cornus kousa chinensis and Cornus kousa var. chinensis.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 20, 2012 4:46 PM CST
Thumbs up
Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Jan 20, 2012 6:12 PM CST
Thanks! I think we're of like minds on this one. Smiling

Here's the actual tag on the one I'm trying to place....just for reference, I guess.
Thumb of 2012-01-21/chelle/ebce08
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 20, 2012 6:25 PM CST
Great info on the tag Chelle. Thumbs up
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 20, 2012 6:38 PM CST
Great! They just missed out the subsp.

You have Cornus kousa subsp. chinensis
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 20, 2012 6:57 PM CST
Great job Janet. Thumbs up
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 20, 2012 7:30 PM CST
I hope after all that the plant matches the lable! Hilarious!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 20, 2012 7:52 PM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing
Sometimes we just can't tell for sure until it blooms.
But I think this one is figured out. Thumbs up
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b
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chelle
Jan 20, 2012 8:14 PM CST
I tip my hat to you.

Wonderful!

I really appreciate the help!

I'll add it to the DB ASAP. Hurray!
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