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Name: Julia
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JuliaNY
Feb 25, 2012 5:30 PM CST
Hello all:
Finally had some time to start reading this forum. Karen directed me over here and so glad she did. I tip my hat to you.
I planted more seeds today (indoors). I've got Rosemary, Thyme, Oregano started today.
I've already started echinaceas. My first attempt at doing echinaceas from seed but we shall see what happens.
I also started a oriental poppy variety.

Finished putting my spreadsheet together so I can keep track of when to start each of the seeds I have. I went a bit
overboard but I think the end results will be worth it. I do perennials, annuals, herbs and vegetables. I'm trying a new vine this year called Cup and Saucer or known also as Cathedral Bells.

I got seeds from Swallowtail, Diane's and Seeds and More (Canadian). I've not used any of these online vendors before so
here is hoping the seeds germinate.

I'm looking at the winter sowing idea but with the high winds we have here, I'm not sure using jugs left outdoors is a good idea here. Maybe I can find an alternative or someone can make a suggestion.

Julia
Julia
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chelle
Feb 25, 2012 6:06 PM CST
JuliaNY said:Hello all:



Hi, Julia. Welcome!



JuliaNY said:
I'm looking at the winter sowing idea but with the high winds we have here, I'm not sure using jugs left outdoors is a good idea here. Maybe I can find an alternative or someone can make a suggestion.

Julia





You can set your jugs in a box and weight it with rocks, or perhaps tie the jug handles to a handy fence.


I set mine in an area between fences, grouped closely together, and we're very windy here, (on the receiving end of off-lake winds)....works fine. I've yet to have a jug blow over.
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Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Feb 25, 2012 6:40 PM CST

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Hi Julia, I'm glad you found us.

I've used all the seed companies you mentioned and been happy with the seeds and results.

My area is very windy. I pack my wintersown milk jugs in plastic bins, holes drilled for drainage. Last year whole bins containing 6 to 8 jugs where blown away.
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I had a brick in this bin with 16 oz cups, that was blown too!
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Now I put 2 bricks in each bin and so far so good on that. This big tan thing works best- it holds about 20-25 jugs. (It's the bottom half of a dog cage).
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Honestly, we've had trouble keeping a roof and siding on the house, so when I say "wind" I know of which I speak!

Karen




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Onewish1
Feb 25, 2012 7:13 PM CST

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we had a day like that here today... hello & welcome Julia!!
Name: Julia
Upstate NY (Zone 6a)
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JuliaNY
Feb 26, 2012 7:47 AM CST
Thanks for the welcome. So glad the winds have died down today.

Julia
Upstate NY
Zone 6
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b
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chelle
Feb 26, 2012 8:33 AM CST
Me, too!

More seeds have arrived, the sun is shining..... finally Hurray! , and I'm ready to continue planting! Big Grin
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Name: woofie
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woofie
Feb 26, 2012 8:57 AM CST
You're going to like that cup and saucer vine, I think! They do take a while to get around to blooming, tho. Did you get the purple ones or the white ones?
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mom2goldens
Feb 26, 2012 8:57 AM CST

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Welcome! Julia. So glad you joined us here.

Sounds like you've got some great seeds started (I love to grow herbs, too). I admire your organization, too. I have a spreadsheet that lists my seeds with appropriate germinating information, but one of these days I need to start listing when I start plants.

I also pack my WS jugs into a cardboard box, and tuck the box tightly in between some of my unused containers out in the garden. So far, that's prevented them from blowing away. 35 MPH gusts predicted here again today....as windy as it's been, at least the temps haven't been too bad.
Name: Julia
Upstate NY (Zone 6a)
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JuliaNY
Feb 26, 2012 11:30 AM CST
I ordered both purple and white Cup and Saucer Big Grin They arrived yesterday so hopefully they bloom the right color. I got them from a seed seller called Seeds and More since she had both colors and the other sites I looked at appeared only to have the purple. I figured if I'll spend the $ to ship, might as well ship both.
I am kicking myself as I found that Swallowtail had the Agapanthus seeds I was looking for. I should have put that with my order. Sad I just hate to spend money to ship 1 packet of seeds.

Last year I did morning glories and loved that. I did learn I need to start the vines indoors to see blooms earlier. I didn't plant until
June last year which I did get to see Heavenly Blue and Grandpa Otts (which was suppose to be Scarlett) bloom. Moonflower vine never
did bloom.

I'm still figuring out the winter sowing logistics. And with all the new seeds I got this year, I'm sure I'll be asking for advice.
Julia
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woofie
Feb 26, 2012 11:43 AM CST
One cool thing about the Cup and Saucer is that you can tell which is purple and which is white just by looking at the plant. The purple ones have a purple-ish tint to the leaves and tendrils, while the white ones are plain green. I planted a Cardinal Climber with a white one last year and they looked really nice together. The tiny red flowers with those big white ones was a nice contrast (although the cup and saucer sort of over-ran the poor little Cardinal Climber).
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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Feb 26, 2012 1:37 PM CST
I tried Cup and Saucer Vine a couple of times and never had successful germination. How do you do yours?
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Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Feb 26, 2012 2:15 PM CST
I didn't have any difficulty with them. And once you get them going, they can be propagated from cuttings fairly easily. I forgot to take cuttings last year, so I'm back to starting seeds. Hmmm, should probably make sure I still have some.....

edited to add: whew! Thought for a moment I didn't have any seeds left! Anyway, it does mention on the seed pack I have to plant the seeds 1/2 inch deep and on edge. And they want temperatures from 68-72 to germinate. I had better luck with the purple ones than the white, BTW.
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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Feb 26, 2012 3:10 PM CST
Thanks, Woofie. I did plant them on their sides, but I bet they weren't nearly warm enough. When I get more seeds I'll make sure to warm 'em up. Thumbs up

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Name: Julia
Upstate NY (Zone 6a)
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JuliaNY
Feb 26, 2012 3:45 PM CST
I was wondering if these need to soak overnight before planting? I read the planting instructions that came with these and it did say to plant edgewise, pushed into soil/ mix (surface sow)but don't cover or cover lightly. 70 degree F for germination.

I also wonder if these need light to germinate besides the heat? Germination is suppose to take 1 to 3 weeks.



Julia
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woofie
Feb 26, 2012 3:54 PM CST
To me, they don't look like the sort of seeds that need to soak. Hmmm, Tom Clothier's site does say to surface sow, so maybe 1/2 inch is too deep. Maybe that 1/2 inch includes the width of the seed?

It's been a couple of years since I started them from seed, but I followed the package instructions and they came up just fine.
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Name: Julia
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JuliaNY
Feb 26, 2012 5:50 PM CST
I checked several sites including Botantical Interests (they advertise in the Horticultural Mag) which say to soak 12 -24 hours or nick them.
I could always do some in a soak and others without and see what happens. Perhaps the presoak gives them a boast in germinating.

I've sent an email to the seller I got the seeds from to see what they say to do.


Julia
Upstate NY
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Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Feb 26, 2012 6:57 PM CST
Well, that's interesting. I just did a quick search on soaking those seeds. Most of the first results do say to soak them for 2 hours. Ha! What do I know? I've only grown them from seed once before!
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Name: Julia
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JuliaNY
Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM CST
I did get a response back on C n S and this is what they wrote:

"It is not required to soak Cathedral Bells seeds but it will do no harm to
do so - it might help soften the seed coat if you do soak and possibly
speed up germination. Indirect light is fine for germination - we just
push our seeds into the planting medium and barely cover or even leave
partly exposed. Keep your planting medium moist but not soaking wet. We
find it helps to cover with plastic but if you do so, make sure you have
not planted in direct sun as this will "cook" the seeds if under plastic."

I guess I'll try it both ways to see what happens and how the germination differs.
Julia
Upstate NY
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Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Feb 29, 2012 10:26 AM CST
If you find that one way works better than the other, be sure to update the seed starting information in the database! Smiling
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RickCorey
Mar 1, 2012 7:22 PM CST
Hi Julia!

>> with the high winds we have here, I'm not sure using jugs left outdoors is a good idea here

Maybe corral the jugs with a low wire fence, like rabbit fence cut down to 14". Stake the fence well.

And/or drape chicken wire over them, then weigh down the edges with bricks or stones. That would let the light and rain get to them.

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