clockworkhawkins said: lets leave the realm of triploids and say I want to isolate diploids that are believed to create 2n gamete if I then pollinated them to a tetraploid and line bred from there could I end up with a tet many years down the line that produced 4n gamete?
I've heard somatic double can be induced through stress during the development of buds such as temperatures above 110f?
admmad said:@clockworkhawkins
Assuming that the ability to produce some 2n gametes is genetic then yes. In other plant species specific mutations have been found that cause errors that result in 2n gametes.
Both high temperatures and low temperatures are known to cause 2n gametes. That would occur during the development of flower buds. Temperatures of 110F (42-43C) during the development of seed have caused somatic doubling. The high temperature was applied as a temperature shock lasting 20-30 minutes at the time of the first division of the zygote. Treating apical or axillary meristems during the development of vegetative buds with very high or low temperature shocks may produce chromosome doubling. Twin seedlings sometimes have polyploid (more sets than normal) chromosome counts.
admmad said:@clockworkhawkins
Assuming that the ability to produce some 2n gametes is genetic then yes. In other plant species specific mutations have been found that cause errors that result in 2n gametes.
Both high temperatures and low temperatures are known to cause 2n gametes. That would occur during the development of flower buds. Temperatures of 110F (42-43C) during the development of seed have caused somatic doubling. The high temperature was applied as a temperature shock lasting 20-30 minutes at the time of the first division of the zygote. Treating apical or axillary meristems during the development of vegetative buds with very high or low temperature shocks may produce chromosome doubling. Twin seedlings sometimes have polyploid (more sets than normal) chromosome counts.
clockworkhawkins said:
I was under the impression that the 2n gamete developed via pollen during the first stages of bud development? Correct me if im wrong but if the pollen develops as normal it produces a haploid. but are you saying you take the haploid pollinate the flower then crank the heat to 110 for the first half hour?
clockworkhawkins said:
have you heard the terms triploid block and triploid bridge? I've read that its been suggested that the triploid is the next stage in evolution. that its essentially waiting for the correct gamete formations. at first i thought it was plausible but now I disagree.
I assume a nonreducing gamete flower needs to be met with other 2n gametes to preform the switch to tetraploid. however if the triploids are spawned from 2n x 1n = 33 pair then they would also be carrying atleast the genetic probability for 2n given to it by 1 of its parents.
my next assumption delves into the realm of science fiction. given a perfect series of line breeding where a large gamete formation was not just plausible but the norm rather than the rarity could we assume that perhaps a dodecaploid giving off 12n could actually hybridize higher up its classification. a theoretical example being.
two plants being 12n gamete in the family Asphodelaceae. obviously you have genetic misconfiguration but given a larger gene pool would there not be a higher likely-hood of success?
clockworkhawkins said:thank so much for this information. I've learned so much
my final two questions.
are there pictures of this hexaploid?
what is the reason for loss of fertility?