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Aug 18, 2018 8:44 AM CST
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Name: Daisy
close to Baltimore, MD (Zone 7a)
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Am I missing something here? I just searched the database for irises in the magenta color group, and out of this entire color group, not a single one has ever been awarded a Wister or Dykes Award. Am I totally alone in loving that color? Is there some flaw of form, substance, vigor, or fragrance that is holding back the iris in that color group? Or are hybridizers simply missing the boat on making improvements in this color group! Hint! Hint!

Okay, so I searched the database for magenta tall beardeds that have received the award of merit, and find that in the entire database there have only been 17 that have been awarded that award, and of those 17, in my opinion at least 4 don't really belong in the magenta color group, belonging, rather in the wine, or yellow, or other color groups by their predominant color.

Ok, we've already had the discussion about how awards can "miss" very worthy cultivars, simply because their hybridizers didn't promote them, or very early or very late bloom times so that convention attendees never saw them in bloom. I don't want to rehash that.

What I do want to know is whether you hybridizers in the group think there is more need to play around with this color group to improve it.

And I want some suggestions as to the magentas you love, why you love them (strong points), as well as what weak points might have held them back. And are there any new gorgeous magentas you know of that are simply not in the database, or have been misclassified into another color group in the database. Or possibly ones for which a color group check box was simply not checked.

By the way, I love the depicted color of the ones called Aplomb, Nora Eileen, and possibly Winterberry, but can't really judge the accuracy of the depicted colors, or any form or substance, or vigor problems that they might have. Would especially love feedback on these three as well as others you might know about.
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Aug 18, 2018 9:10 AM CST
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a semi-retired studio potter.
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Just saying that I love the magenta ones too, Daisy. One of my crosses this year has I Feel Lucky as the pod parent.

Sultry Mood looks magenta to me, but is listed as purple.
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Aug 18, 2018 9:23 AM CST
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a semi-retired studio potter.
Irises Hummingbirder Hellebores Organic Gardener Dog Lover Daylilies
Region: Ukraine Region: California Dahlias Garden Art Cat Lover Vegetable Grower
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Aug 18, 2018 9:28 AM CST
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
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Jan ~ That Sultry Mood sure is a beauty! Lovey dubby
"Luck favors the prepared mind." - Thomas Jefferson
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Aug 18, 2018 10:14 AM CST
Name: Richard
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Sultry mood is a nice one. Use to have it.
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Aug 18, 2018 10:46 AM CST
Name: Jane H.
Kentucky (Zone 6b)
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I, too, love the magenta colored irises and have found them called rose, raspberry, wine, burgundy, red violet and more. I had Aplomb but some neighbor dog dug it up and it did not survive sadly. I keep looking for the color class also. I have many near close to magenta but they are called all sorts of things on the database. Winterberry is one that I just purchased that I think is that color. We shall see how it fits that description when it blooms.
I know they are always trying to perfect the true red iris. Maybe they should try for a perfect magenta.
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Aug 18, 2018 10:49 AM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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Winterberry is quite magenta. I think of Gypsy Romance as a good magenta. It grows well and has great color.
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Aug 18, 2018 11:56 AM CST
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
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Leslie ~ I got Gypsy Romance last year, but it hasn't bloomed for me yet. I am happy to hear that it grows well. I have a few similar irises...Grape Expectations, Swingtown and Cantina. (Thank you, Richard!) I think I will put them in the same bed and further evaluate them...bloom time, strength, branching, etc and keep the best (or maybe all of them)! If they bloom at different times, then it will be a nice continuous bloom time.
"Luck favors the prepared mind." - Thomas Jefferson
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Aug 18, 2018 1:03 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Daisy
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Oooh, I Feel Lucky and Sultry Mood are both gorgeous! Thanks for their names. I have Swingtown. This was its very first year, and it gave me just one or two beautiful blooms. I have been considering Gypsy Romance, too.

I need to take a look, too, at Grape Expectations. Thanks Evelyn!
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Aug 18, 2018 1:29 PM CST
Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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I love magenta too.

For comparison:


How about Purple People Eater? I ordered three rhizomes from Superstition this year, and they are in the ground:

If mine look this beautiful, I will be SO HAPPY!
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Aug 18, 2018 1:41 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Daisy
close to Baltimore, MD (Zone 7a)
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More pretties! Thanks!
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Aug 18, 2018 1:48 PM CST
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
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csandt said:I love magenta too.
How about Purple People Eater? I ordered three rhizomes from Superstition this year, and they are in the ground:

If mine look this beautiful, I will be SO HAPPY!


Oh, yeah! I ordered that one this season. Who knows about what will bloom next season, as many do not bloom the first year! So...it looks like I like magenta! nodding
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Aug 18, 2018 2:07 PM CST
Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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evelyninthegarden said:

Oh, yeah! I ordered that one this season. Who knows about what will bloom next season, as many do not bloom the first year! So...it looks like I like magenta! nodding


Well, actually a search for magenta wouldn't have turned up this one. Its color is described this way:

Reddish purple bronze
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Aug 18, 2018 2:14 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Daisy
close to Baltimore, MD (Zone 7a)
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"Reddish purple bronze" LOL Hilarious! Sure looks magenta to me!
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Aug 18, 2018 2:21 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Daisy
close to Baltimore, MD (Zone 7a)
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Herbs Hellebores Growing under artificial light Container Gardener Cat Lover Garden Photography
Look at this simply gorgeous photo of Aplomb in the database:



Click on this one to enlarge it. Just gorgeous!
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Aug 18, 2018 3:40 PM CST
Name: Richard
Joshua Tree (Zone 9a)
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What about candy apple classic and cantina

Candy apple classic

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Cantina

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Aug 18, 2018 7:54 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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I'm confused. Confused

The only irises of the above listed "magenta" ones that * I SEE * as magenta are 'Aplomb' and 'Candy Apple Classic'.

'Purple People Eater' does look pretty much like MShadow's image, color-wise, but I wouldn't call the color "magenta". To me it looks rather like some shade of purple, apart from those orange-y-red-bronze hafts. (It's a SA-er, and sometimes those beards look like miniature cobras coiled up, hissing and ready to strike! Blinking )
Evaluating an iris seedling, hopefully for rebloom
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