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Aug 18, 2018 4:08 PM CST
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Aug 18, 2018 5:19 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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That one does look a lot like one I've had since 2007 that was labeled 'Exotica'. I almost lost my plant a few years ago when it was left out in the cold but managed to take a cutting that recovered! Here is a photo I posted awhile back showing the difference in leaves:
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Aug 19, 2018 5:44 AM CST
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Beautiful & helpful pic, Lin!
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Sep 3, 2018 6:19 AM CST
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Is 'Silver Satin' a real cultivar, or just one of those for-sale names?
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Sep 3, 2018 10:51 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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My thought was that the plant pictured might be a variety of Scindapsus pictus http://www.aroid.org/genera/sp... rather than Epipremnum: http://exoticrainforest.com/Ep... but I don't really know what the differences might be in the two genera and the only Epipremnum I'm familiar with is the E. aureum: that grows here in Florida, the one with green and gold to yellow variegation that's commonly found for sale as hanging basket plants or small potted plants at garden centers.

This site has one listed as Epipremnum 'Silver Satin Pothos': http://www.excelsagardens.com/...

I found this e-bay listing with one showing (common name) Silver Satin Pothos and the cultivar name as 'Scindapsus Pictus': https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-I...

The International Aroid Society, Cultivar Registry: http://www.aroid.org/cultivars... links to this page: http://www.aroid.org/cvwiki/in... which only shows 3 cultivars of Epipremnum and 1 cultivar of Scindapsus! Confused

The world lost a kind and knowledgeable man when Steve Lucas of Exotic Rainforest passed away in 2011. He was always so helpful when it came to questions regarding Aroids. It would be nice if we had an Aroid guru to advise on the many plants in that family. Common names and Sold As names are a cause for so much confusion and misinformation ... in all plant genera! Sighing!
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Sep 4, 2018 9:12 AM CST
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Aroid Society is the ICRA for Epipremnum and all other genera in Aroid family. If they have no record of a cultivar, it is not one, although it can take time for the record to catch-up with the name of a new cultivar. https://www.ishs.org/sci/taxli...

The variegation of Pothos (Epipremnum aureum) cultivars may not be stable enough to register them as cultivars. Stability is a key requirement to publish a cultivar name. So often, these plants just revert to plain green. It may just be that they don't meet very often, IDK. Some of the cultivars of E. aureum in the database here & recognized elsewhere do seem legitimate & easily recognizable.

APPENDIX VIII, Section 1, cultivar epithets: https://www.actahort.org/chron...

"This site has one listed as Epipremnum 'Silver Satin Pothos'" This can't be a valid cultivar name because it contains a genus name, which is also a common name.

"I found this e-bay listing with one showing (common name) Silver Satin Pothos and the cultivar name as 'Scindapsus Pictus'" This can't be a valid cultivar name because it contains a genus and a species.

Cultivar names are patented &/or recognized and administered by their ICRA. They either exist and are published, or they aren't.

The same rules should cause the elimination of this entry from the database here, which is just a common name being punctuated as cultivar:
Pothos (Epipremnum aureum 'Golden Pothos')
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Sep 4, 2018 12:48 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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purpleinopp said:Aroid Society is the ICRA for Epipremnum and all other genera in Aroid family. Cultivar names are patented &/or recognized and administered by their ICRA. They either exist and are published, or they aren't.

The same rules should cause the elimination of this entry from the database here, which is just a common name being punctuated as cultivar:
Pothos (Epipremnum aureum 'Golden Pothos')


Tiffany, when I first saw the database entry for Pothos (Epipremnum aureum 'Golden Pothos') I thought it was an error but there is apparently a registered cultivar (registered in 1990) by that name. See Evan's comment at the bottom of that database entry.
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Sep 5, 2018 7:37 AM CST
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Ooooh yeah, I think we've had this discussion before. TY for the reminder. I'll try to let it sink in and postpone being old & set in my ways ...at least another week ... if I can remember! LOL!
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Mar 12, 2019 9:05 AM CST
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I was asking about this a few years back: nobody seems to know the answer..
The thread "Scindapsus or Epipremnum?" in Philodendrons, Elephant Ears, and Other Aroids forum
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Mar 20, 2019 5:52 AM CST
Name: Gina
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Is anyone else here a member of the International Aroid Society? Just wondering.
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May 16, 2019 3:58 AM CST

There is no difference. This is Scindapsus pictus, NOT Epipremnum aureum. Entirely different species in a different genus. So much confusion here caused by mislabelling of this plant.
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May 16, 2019 5:22 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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I agree @purpleinopp that the IAS is the definitive source for aroid ID. But like you said, things can be slow to update. Their membership is not what it used to be and the actual scientific authorities like Peter Boyce and Dr. Thomas Croat and Julian Boos do not seem to be as active as in the past. I am a member of the IAS and remember when it was extremely active...there is almost no activity on forums and mailing lists now. They still do publish a great quarterly journal, the last one from March was all about Dr. Croat's trip to Ecuagenera (who I have bought many plants from in the past) and documenting his collection of several new species of Anthurium and Philodendron.

I think that the false terminology in the present plant trade for Pothos, Scindapsus, and Epipremnum is so totally entrenched in the market that it will never be able to be changed. The only people who are willing to do their own research and discover what they are actually being sold (or RESOLD under another name) are people who are serious about collecting, on either a large or small scale.

Pothos is its own genus. It contains about 55 plants, almost none of which are currently readily available to the US plant trade. The plant known as pothos (devil's ivy) that is commonly sold (in all its cultivars...NJoy, Jade and Pearls, Neon, etc) was once considered a member of this genus but has not been included in the Pothos genus for some time. It was moved to the genus

EPIPREMNUM which has about 15 species, the most common being sold in the plant trade are pinnatum, aureum and giganteum (giganteum is difficult to locate and a collectors item, a friend of mine just obtained one last weekend from a fellow IAS member in South Florida, he had been looking for one for years)

Scindapsus is also a separate genus containing about 35 species. The most common are pictus in the small leaved form and the 2 larger leaved forms, and treubii, which is very rarely found in nurseries but sometimes you get lucky.

NONE of these plants are PHILODENDRONS although they are commonly referred to in the plant trade that way, mainly because the people selling them do not seem to care or know any better what they call their plants as long as they sell mass numbers of them to the plant buying public.

I don't mean to sound harsh, this is just the way I view this subject. I only have a limited amount of money to spend on plants, and a limited amount of space and resources to use on them. When I do let go of a dollar, I want it to be for the genuine article of something, not a misnamed plant that has been mislabeled and is not what it is supposed to be. That is why I am a plant geek and do a lot of research.

This site uses the Catalog of Life or whatever it is called for the definitive source of its taxonomy...and because this source is slow to update, they do not accept the fact that several common Philodendrons (including Xanadu and selloum) have been removed from the genus Philodendron and placed into an entirely new genus, Thaumatophyllum, which is now beginning to be used by serious collectors who trade and sell plants from their collections. The retail plant trade will probably never catch up to that change.
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