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Apr 29, 2012 10:58 AM CST
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I have tried this plant now 5 times and not one has survived. I'm in West TN. Anyone have any tips for keeping it alive when temps get above 80 degrees? Every day another leaf turns black. I really think it shouldn't be sold here.
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Apr 29, 2012 11:05 AM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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I am in Zone 6a and have success with Jack Frost. BUT it doesnt like the heat or the sun
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Apr 29, 2012 11:13 AM CST
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I can't do anything about the heat. It gets hot in the summer. I guess I could dig it up and bring it indoors. However, Perennial Plant of the Year should be tough enough to take 85 degrees!
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Apr 29, 2012 11:47 AM CST
Name: Susan
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Clint, do you have it planted in the shade? Full shade on the north side of house would probably be the coolest spot. I don't have one because I thought it liked moist soil and I have enough stuff to water. We are just too busy to baby a plant right? If anything around here wants to be babied, it better say it's prayers!! I'll be having a plant funeral for sure. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Mat.6:28-29
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Apr 29, 2012 11:52 AM CST
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Name: Clint Brown
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I have tried it full shade. I have tried morning sun only. Nothing works and they turn black over a few weeks. I guess I will just replace it with a fern. They grow there. Lol.
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Apr 29, 2012 12:42 PM CST
Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
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May 2, 2012 9:11 PM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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Clint, I've had the same experience. Even in total shade, they croak. I wonder if perhaps they are sensitive to soil temps. I've tried varying the water, using mulch, various light levels, and nothing worked. For about 3 weeks in the spring, while nurseries are selling them, (for $10 apiece!) they look great. First sign of hot weather or even a hot dry wind, and they are toast. Our humidity is fairly low here, and yours is higher, so that's not the key. My best guess is they need cool, slightly dry soil and humid air?
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May 2, 2012 9:19 PM CST
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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All the brunnera just thrive here in Western Washington. We have acid soil. Would they just be going dormant and come back in the spring since you get so hot. We never get that hot. Just some ideas.
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May 2, 2012 9:46 PM CST
Name: Cindi
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Hmmm we're alkaline. Have not read anything about a strong ph preference, but then my soil isn't all that far off neutral. My mother is able to grow them in Kansas City, but they don't winter over for her. The humidity is higher there. I don't know about winter hardiness here because I can't get them through the summer. It isn't dormancy- the leaves turn black, shrivel up, and the root disappears.
We don't have soil nematodes or anything like that.
Actually now that i think about it, they end up on the clearance rack in the stores within 2 weeks of shipment. That would make me think it's the dry air, or hot roots in the pots?
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May 2, 2012 10:29 PM CST
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I think it's the heat that kills them. I can't believe these won Perennial Plant of the Year. They die before June and they don't return the next year. Something's not right in the way they are choosing those awards. Group hug
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May 2, 2012 10:31 PM CST
Name: Paul
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I'll poke my nose in. I'm zone 5b...we often have 90+ degrees for 2 or 3 months in the summer so heat shouldn't be the problem. We have alkaline soil and low humidity. I grow it on the north of the house and on the west where it is under pine trees and gets late afternoon sun. It is happy here. This plant is several year old.
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May 2, 2012 10:44 PM CST
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We do have higher humidity, but it could be a combination of things. There are many conversations online of people talking about problems with these plants though. Some people complain of nemotodes. Others say their plant goes dormant in the summer. Some say their plants just don't return after winter. I have never seen a perennial this difficult to grow here. It grows much the way Delphiniums do. They won't grow here either. I bet they do well in similar zones.
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May 3, 2012 2:39 AM CST
Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
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Well they say their good to zone 8 but maybe not. Hummmm. Blinking
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May 3, 2012 7:25 AM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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That's good info, Paul. I wonder if they get better drainage under the pine trees? My nursery catalog says they need shade and "moist, well-drained" soil.
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May 3, 2012 7:44 AM CST
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Name: Clint Brown
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They sure are picky. They also are a host for nemotodes.
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May 3, 2012 6:06 PM CST
Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
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Well maybe that is what is eating them. Green Grin!
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May 3, 2012 6:33 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
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virginiarose said:Clint, do you have it planted in the shade? Full shade on the north side of house would probably be the coolest spot. I don't have one because I thought it liked moist soil and I have enough stuff to water. We are just too busy to baby a plant right? If anything around here wants to be babied, it better say it's prayers!! I'll be having a plant funeral for sure. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing


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May 3, 2012 6:43 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
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I have mine under a Magnolia Tree, which gets morning sun only. I think I have two 'mother' plants. They are in the same area. It has even reseeded itself, cuz I have at least one (that I can remember right now) baby plant of it. Mine is a 'few to several' years old'. Thumbs up

The first link seems to be the happiest that I have. These are pics of two or three plants......









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May 3, 2012 6:59 PM CST
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Maybe I can baby one and keep it out of Jack Frost Heaven.
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May 3, 2012 10:21 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
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