This white one, may or may not be what I think is used in Chinese herbal medicine, but need to research it.I promise, I 'll get around to answering your questions....No snow forecast, but this one is just as white...Shawn


Feng Dan Bai

@Mieko2 Nah, I never really was impressed by theat particular color of yellow.. I have seen huge ones for sale. I mean gigantic plants. But somebody eventually wanted an instant show piece, in their garden... I just wasn't turned on by 'intersectional' of much of any of the many various plants I grew. I was able to create my own intergeneric hybrids & just was mainly out of curiosity. I destroyed the resulting perennial. It is true, that the Chinese started with crossing the Peony, in the first place, then made 'suffruticosa' & that has been going on for well over 1500 years. The Japanese admired them & they did their own, (Botan)creations having their own particular style.While much of what the Chinese had created, was destroyed by the Yang Tze River, which flooded. It is a dangerous river as my cousin went on a boat trip & that river caused the boat to capsize. (Survived.).
@kousa Sorry, but unfortunately I had given it away what may have been Kamata nishiki & could have saved you the expense & bother! I had some really nice ones. Will have a look at others, on previous pages.. What I perhaps forgot, was that the buds, once grafted again, or perhaps on the original plant also, can mutate.
In roses, it's called a 'sport' & becomes a new cv. But in regeneration & production of the tree peony, maybe some are doing like roses & what I had thought was stable isn't, & the mutated buds of the new grafted cutting isn't any longer like what the parent plant was anymore. Just as with Shimanishiki, with white stripes, very unlike it's parent.
It isn't that I haven't seen some beautiful Chinese( Mudan). It is the outrageous prices that turns me away from that. Seems a bit greedy....Shawn

Shawn, I appreciate your observations as you have been growing peonies for so many years.

I use 'Itoh' interchangeably with 'Intersectional '; I guess because it is a shorter word, and most websites do that, too.

I have bought several of those large blooming Intersectionals in pots, and have found them to be root bound.
The colors are so wonderful and I wouldn't be without them!
Takara




Misaka

HI LG They are nice flowers, but just not quite to my sense of taste. partly due to the colors...Many people enjoy them & that is fine with me. If they are pot bound, maybe you ought to plant them in the ground, siting them , after some consideration, in the garden. I realize that many others use the term 'Itoh' for the peony, when in fact it is actually not, but instead, the progeny, from the original four 'Itoh' intersectional hybrid cultivars.
In my specific growing climate, my tree peonies could never attain the size, of some I see located up in New York, for instance. I doubt no matter what I did to the soil....to improve it, the tree peonies after many years in the ground, just don't get large here.
I am almost certain, it is mainly due to the generally mild winter weather & the warmer night temperatures, that extend well into the end of summer. With hardly any frost, nearly all autumn long,! I think there may have been less than a total of a week of frosty mornings, just until the start of winter. It makes a difference, in the lack of growth, compared to those grown up North, in colder zones. Where they actually may grow quite large, where autumn, winter & springtime is extended., compared to here I know, they stay small here, as I have seen others in yards & theirs were always small, too.!

@Mieko2 I found a later article, where Smirnow, had stated that the original four Itoh' intersectionals were eventually "lost." According to him, the original intersectional hybridization was repeated, using the same parent plants used by Mr. Itoh, to produce other intersectional seedlings. & those resulting plants, were given cultivar names.
@frankrichards had posed the question, then I recalled this article & read it again, to refresh my memory. In the meantime, somebody else stated the chromosome number, are now so numerous, that there is a problem, with infertility. Do any of yours ever produce seeds?
I enjoyed letting my suffruticosa set seeds, to sow them, but it was usually at the expense of loss of next years flowers!

I can't imagine my garden now without Itohs but I'll be the first to admit that there are very few peonies that I don't like. The best thing about them (Itohs) is that most of them are just so unique; I find that I appreciate that more and more as I struggle to identify NOID herbaceous flowers.

I'm actually looking forward to growing tree peonies in pots! I really can't here, our winters are far too cold and inconsistent to have them survive and the garage isn't big enough to overwinter. I think they'll survive winters in AL just fine, though. LG, Karen and Annette—so eager to see pics of the tree peonies you placed in pots as they start to grow in the spring! Shouldn't be too long now before you start seeing growth! I think that is the thing that I'm most covetous about with the more temperate gardens—your early springs! Here in Co it'll be late March before there is any sign of life in bulbs or peonies...3 more months....12 long weeks.....1/4 of a year....doesn't feel like it'll ever get here! Hope you all post lots of pics of the new growth all the way through flowers so we can share in the process!

Liz, I have to agree, I like all peonies, and I'm also a huge fan of Itohs! I'm steadily collecting the newest varieties as the prices become reasonable. I also love their unique colors!

I'll definitely share the progress of my potted trees when I get a chance. They'll be in my SIL's garden, so she'll be getting a lot of visits from me this spring. I still have a few of them here with me, that will get transported to her garden soon.

I know it's a tough, long winter for you, not being able to see any growth in your garden. However, you'll soon able to enjoy our more temperate climate once you move to AL.

Hoping to start a large part of the garden move next fall! If all looks good in the test garden this spring I think I'll be comfortable enough to move a few hundred roots the following planting season. Will also be dividing and moving a ton of daylilies, lilies, irises and other plants before it's done.

I hope you all aren't under the impression that I DISlike 'Itoh', or intersectionals. It is simply the color of what I have seen, in person. I will admit to having been totally amazed at seeing a huge potted one (or maybe several?) for sale in a garden center. It was easily about 6 feet tall & blooms all over the plant, near the top, at the side & near the base! I couldn't help, but, to be awe struck upon seeing it. Especially knowing I could only get some of my tree peonies to get to only about three feet tall. The growth could be easily measured, by a total of only two inches per year, as an average 'growing' season.If any spring was prolonged duration, then possibly a few extra inches could be expected.
I was just curious , if anyone of you, with any of these intersectional peonies, had noticed if any seeds were ever produced, As I enjoyed crossing my tree peonies & growing them on ( I only recall one seedling that I grew, & the first time it had a flower.)
Do your 'Itoh' type ever make any seeds, so you can do the same?

Liz, I'll be happy to oblige with photos as they start coming up!! Here is Julia Rose Itoh on Feb18, 2018!





@shawnsteve, I did get a seed from Joanna Marlene a couple of years ago, but it never germinated.

Annette I hope your SIL will understand when you check up on your plants every few days! I'm sure the time will fly for you and you will be all settled into your new home by next Fall!

@LizinElizabeth Hope you take care to label all those peonies, as you dig them up. It may save you alot of trouble, in figuring out, where you want to place particular certain cultivars , later on.
@Mieko2 I probably would have been curious enough, to try to find out if that seed actually had an embryo. Maybe intersectionals can be crossed with each other, is what I might be thinking.

ShawnSteve, I get a lot of seed pods on my Itohs, but I've never opened them. I cut them well before they mature.

Liz, here is my bagged TP Princess Chiffon from today. It came looking similar to this from Adelman's in late November, and was planted soon after. The growth has slowed down thank goodness. I've added more dirt to the bag, after I took the picture. Hopefully, I won't lose this growth. It's resting in the coolest part of my garden.

The other leaves are from some of my irises, I try to get as many plants in the bags when possible.

I've had seedpods but have neve opened one, have always cut them off to make the plant look better since it's so unlikely to have any germinate. Maybe once I've moved I'll attempt planting some.

Here are some of my plants I moved in 2009 I still have all of them Tree peonies daylilys Japanese Maple Burgamsia Just to name a few.

@Cem9165 Maybe you could save a few seed pods & sow any after ripened then cut off the seed pod. It would be interesting to see what you get as maybe you can produce & grow your own varieties.

Oscar, you did a great job of moving the tree peonies because they sure put on great growths and flowering these past 2 years.

Annette, your Princess Chiffon looks great! I can't wait to see what both of our plants will do this spring. LG, hope your PC's blooms will not be affected by bad weather this spring.

LizinElizabeth said:Hoping to start a large part of the garden move next fall! If all looks good in the test garden this spring I think I'll be comfortable enough to move a few hundred roots the following planting season. Will also be dividing and moving a ton of daylilies, lilies, irises and other plants before it's done.

With your vast collection of peonies and other plants, I wish you the best as you tackle this challenge, Liz! Will you be driving the roots and plants to AL or ship them? There is a tool that makes daylilies division a breeze but not sure whether it is any good for peonies. I am planning to get this tool next summer.
https://donsdaylilydivider.com...

As demonstrated on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

That's pretty cool, Karen! It'll be interesting to see what you think of it! I don't have as many daylilies as I do peonies, lilies and irises. Do you plan to try it on other plants?

Karen thanks for posting the info about the daylily divider, I may get one to take a few of my plants.

Visited my SIL yesterday, and I'm so glad that I did. So many leaves had settled on top of and around the plants that had to be removed.

My potted yellow TP had 2 inches of water on top of the pot, thanks to our recent rains, and leaves that had settled on top of and around the pot, that I suspect prevented it from draining. The plants in bags are doing well, however, the tops of some of the bags had folded inward, covering the base of the plants. I've folded the top of the all the bags outward to prevent this from happening again.


This yellow noid TP also had a pip that leafed out.


BTB has also put out a leaf since it was potted up.


The rest of the potted trees were fine, with nice pips. I was thoroughly confused when I saw TP Hanako-Chan,😳 until I realized I ordered it as Seidl #245


Ruffled Pink Petticoats is also doing well

Good thing that you checked on you peonies, Annette. You would hate for them to rot!! They all look great!! Just think.... only about three months or so, and you and I will have peony blooms 😍😍