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May 11, 2012 11:31 AM CST
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Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Birds Cat Lover
Sorry but that picture is not of Oenothera, it is Gaura tall and skinny and waving in the breeze like all gauras are.
I know that Oenothera and Gaura belong to the same family Onagraceae, but they are not the same species.
Here is a link to that species; http://wildflower.org/plants/r...

Please check it out. Smiling
Thank you
Josephine
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May 11, 2012 11:34 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Do you have a link to the picture you are referring to here at ATP?
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May 11, 2012 11:40 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Birds Cat Lover
Sorry I forgot that part, here it is;
Appleblossom Grass (Oenothera lindheimeri)
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May 11, 2012 3:03 PM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Hmmm, I see that my photo of Gaura "The Bride" has also been moved to Oenothera. Could we have a bit of clarification, please? Confused
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May 11, 2012 4:02 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I found this. Does this help at all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
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May 11, 2012 4:06 PM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Thanks, Lynn.
Hummph! How very presumptuous of Messrs. Warren L. Wagner, Peter C. Hoch, and Peter H. Raven. Green Grin!
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May 11, 2012 4:28 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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All species of Gaura have been reclassified, most into Oenothera. Here is one example, Gaura lindhiemri: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/Si...
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May 11, 2012 4:34 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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My head is swimming. Blinking
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May 11, 2012 4:35 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Birds Cat Lover
Well, if they did the changes in 2007 it sure took a long time for the word to get around,
I still think the name Gaura fits better and distinguishes it from the Primroses, but I guess what I think doesn't really matter. Oh well!! : Shrug!
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May 11, 2012 4:40 PM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
Charter ATP Member Garden Procrastinator Greenhouse Dragonflies Plays in the sandbox I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Not familiar with ITIS (hee hee, "IT IS?"). Just interesting that the wildflower site that frostweed references still shows the other terminology. Sigh, I think they're just trying to make life difficult. Does this sort of thing maybe make including the Family in the database more useful?
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May 11, 2012 5:27 PM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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I didn't really appreciate it when all the North America asters were reclassified, most into the genus Symphyotrichum which I can barely spell let alone pronounce. But that is the nature of science, very little stays the same for long. When I was in graduate school, I never could understand why the old guys insisted on calling plants by obsolete names. Now I do, they're like familiar old friends, but I still think it is worth it to try to remain current.

As far as wildflower.org goes, websites don't fall out of date as fast as books, but they do sometimes fall out of date. Depends on how determined the people running them are to remain current.
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May 12, 2012 8:26 PM CST
Name: Janice
Cape Cod, MA, USA (Zone 7a)
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Will the remaining Gauras on our database be reclassified?
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May 12, 2012 9:14 PM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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Yep. The first step was to transfer all the gaura images (because you can't delete a plant that has images) to the right plant. It's a slow process, though. Calylophus was easy because there were only about a dozen species and subspecies and no cultivars.
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May 13, 2012 3:23 AM CST
Name: Janice
Cape Cod, MA, USA (Zone 7a)
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Thumbs up Kent. I tip my hat to you.
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One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle
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May 23, 2012 12:23 AM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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Josephine, those meddling botanists at ITIS are at it again! Kent, would it be possible to include the older botanical name on that also, to help people searching for it? If people searching for a plant can't find it, the plant database won't help them at all.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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May 23, 2012 5:59 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Butterflies Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Birds Cat Lover
You are right Linda, I hope the previous name can be included, that would be a good idea. Smiling
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May 23, 2012 7:10 AM CST
Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
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The synonyms for the plants are probably already in the database. They just don't show on the public profile. I suggested in another post to the database forum (it was titled Changing a Plant Name) that synonyms and reference/date be added to the public profile. Dave responded that he did want to do that but required some time to think about it.
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May 23, 2012 7:36 AM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator Plant Identifier Region: Nebraska Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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I did put the old names in as synonyms. If you search for "Gaura" in the database, they should all show up under the genus Oenothera. Although, looking at the database just now, it looks like I missed a couple.
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May 23, 2012 10:26 AM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
Organic Gardener Bookworm Enjoys or suffers hot summers Charter ATP Member Salvias Herbs
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Oh, okay! Thanks Kent! It's getting to be a really big database. I appreciate you people that are working so hard to keep it all in good order.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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