Plant Database forum: Regarding Gaura Lindhiemrii being moved to Oenothera.

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Name: josephine
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frostweed
May 11, 2012 11:31 AM CST
Sorry but that picture is not of Oenothera, it is Gaura tall and skinny and waving in the breeze like all gauras are.
I know that Oenothera and Gaura belong to the same family Onagraceae, but they are not the same species.
Here is a link to that species; http://wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=GALI2

Please check it out. Smiling
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dave
May 11, 2012 11:34 AM CST

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Do you have a link to the picture you are referring to here at ATP?
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frostweed
May 11, 2012 11:40 AM CST
Sorry I forgot that part, here it is;
White Gaura (Oenothera lindheimeri)
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Name: woofie
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woofie
May 11, 2012 3:03 PM CST
Hmmm, I see that my photo of Gaura "The Bride" has also been moved to Oenothera. Could we have a bit of clarification, please? Confused
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valleylynn
May 11, 2012 4:02 PM CST
I found this. Does this help at all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaura
Name: woofie
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woofie
May 11, 2012 4:06 PM CST
Thanks, Lynn.
Hummph! How very presumptuous of Messrs. Warren L. Wagner, Peter C. Hoch, and Peter H. Raven. Green Grin!
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KentPfeiffer
May 11, 2012 4:28 PM CST

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All species of Gaura have been reclassified, most into Oenothera. Here is one example, Gaura lindhiemri: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic...
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valleylynn
May 11, 2012 4:34 PM CST
My head is swimming. Blinking
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frostweed
May 11, 2012 4:35 PM CST
Well, if they did the changes in 2007 it sure took a long time for the word to get around,
I still think the name Gaura fits better and distinguishes it from the Primroses, but I guess what I think doesn't really matter. Oh well!! : Shrug!
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woofie
May 11, 2012 4:40 PM CST
Not familiar with ITIS (hee hee, "IT IS?"). Just interesting that the wildflower site that frostweed references still shows the other terminology. Sigh, I think they're just trying to make life difficult. Does this sort of thing maybe make including the Family in the database more useful?
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KentPfeiffer
May 11, 2012 5:27 PM CST

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I didn't really appreciate it when all the North America asters were reclassified, most into the genus Symphyotrichum which I can barely spell let alone pronounce. But that is the nature of science, very little stays the same for long. When I was in graduate school, I never could understand why the old guys insisted on calling plants by obsolete names. Now I do, they're like familiar old friends, but I still think it is worth it to try to remain current.

As far as wildflower.org goes, websites don't fall out of date as fast as books, but they do sometimes fall out of date. Depends on how determined the people running them are to remain current.
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sandnsea2
May 12, 2012 8:26 PM CST
Will the remaining Gauras on our database be reclassified?
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KentPfeiffer
May 12, 2012 9:14 PM CST

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Yep. The first step was to transfer all the gaura images (because you can't delete a plant that has images) to the right plant. It's a slow process, though. Calylophus was easy because there were only about a dozen species and subspecies and no cultivars.
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sandnsea2
May 13, 2012 3:23 AM CST
Thumbs up Kent. I tip my hat to you.
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LindaTX8
May 23, 2012 12:23 AM CST
Josephine, those meddling botanists at ITIS are at it again! Kent, would it be possible to include the older botanical name on that also, to help people searching for it? If people searching for a plant can't find it, the plant database won't help them at all.
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Name: josephine
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frostweed
May 23, 2012 5:59 AM CST
You are right Linda, I hope the previous name can be included, that would be a good idea. Smiling
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krancmm
May 23, 2012 7:10 AM CST
The synonyms for the plants are probably already in the database. They just don't show on the public profile. I suggested in another post to the database forum (it was titled Changing a Plant Name) that synonyms and reference/date be added to the public profile. Dave responded that he did want to do that but required some time to think about it.
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
May 23, 2012 7:36 AM CST

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I did put the old names in as synonyms. If you search for "Gaura" in the database, they should all show up under the genus Oenothera. Although, looking at the database just now, it looks like I missed a couple.
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LindaTX8
May 23, 2012 10:26 AM CST
Oh, okay! Thanks Kent! It's getting to be a really big database. I appreciate you people that are working so hard to keep it all in good order.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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