Thanks ! I do grow them both. I put in a new 40 ft bed on the outside of the fence this year which makes 4 flower beds as well as 45 shrub roses and 15 antique climbing roses. I keep pots around the seating area. It's just this addiction has become an obsession ! I can't get enough daylily stuff ! That's why I have been reading this forum all day. I didn't know it was here. Now it is feeding my addiction like crazy. Thank you so much !!