@BetNc , I start some of mine from seeds (others I purchase plants). [Probably will be starting more from seed this year than usual.] I find mine get too leggy if I start 8 weeks early, so I only start 6 weeks early. I run shop lights (just standard florescent). This year I'd actually like to start some later than normal so that I would have tomatoes in late September and October, when most of the vines here are usually pretty much finished. Would be nice to have some, more-or-less, just starting.