My previous 2 attempts of plumeria seeds were vastly different even though I used the same media and method which was the Miracle Grow cactus mix and seed trays. One variety had 20 seeds and 11 germinated, the second batch only one germinated out of 16. I guess I'm still a newbie at plumeria seeds and am paying $9 for 20 seeds so am willing to experiment until I find what works best for me. I'd probably have better results if I started seeds in spring/summer but I got the bug back in November and can't help it