I see your point Lyn regarding shows.. But I also prune to shape and renew, especially on the HT's etc. Old roses get much less. This time if year I should be tackling weeds and other types of pruning and rejuvenating. Sometimes I envy those with gardens in the snow... I imagine them making afghans or bird houses, and doing a good deep housecleaning or organizing, ûwhile I'm knee deep in weeds with wrecked fingernails.. Anyway, I've got close to an inch of beautiful soft growth spurting out. I need to go back now that it's out, and select where the best placed and strongest shoots are. Rub off any facing in the wrong direction. I dunno... Maybe I'm too anal