I so appreciate the pictures Char. I didn't realize how many of this pattern were out there. And now I'm in love with Master of the Moon too....Thank you for your input Judy. Since you are a southern grower your information is particularly valuable to me ( although anyone's information is welcome). I like the Westbourne Crowns of Glory a lot, although I think it's a little harder to find from a rust free nursery and a little pricey at present.......Anyone on Pinwheel Princess? What about Star Child?............Maryl