Ken ,I believe the second lower picture is pine knot... The first was ( probably) from Carter and Holmes.. It took ' a while' for Mac Holmes to realize that he had sold lots and lots plants either in flasks or plugs with the wrong label on it. The person that commented on my post made many points as she researched the mystery. I will try and copy and paste when I get back to the desk top.. It's happy hour on the patio surrounding the orchid benches!